If you will read the ' sticky ' at the top about ' using the search' it will help... you will find better info because people are not going to type the same answer a 100 times on a site which has a good search feature.... so if you don't use the search and it is something most people know has already been answered then you just don't get good info....or only the people with ' far out' ideas who want converts will be the ones who do reply... because they were laughed out of the real oil threads..... LOL