What is it about these people that they think they can interpret the constitution in a vacuum and never read any of the case law that has gone on for over two centuries to explain it? How do they write it off in their minds? No offense to libertarians or libertarian sympathizers, but they remind me of behavior disordered kids; when they're right, they're right, and when they're wrong, they're still right because the whole mechanism by which they have been found to be wrong is inherently faulty. Its like arguing with a communist.