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Old 04-15-2005, 09:38 AM
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Most people use about 600 gallons of fuel a year (about 10 gallons a week) -- say US$360 a year. An SVO system costs from $300 to $1,200 or more.
Ummm check your math, 600 gallons * $2.50 / gallon =$1800
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Old 04-16-2005, 02:47 PM
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Sodium Hydroxide (NaOH) or Potassium Hydroxide (KOH) can be found at the Chemistry Store in a 2lb pail for $9.00. For Methanol, check with your local race tracks on where to buy it or contact VP Racing Fuels for a list of distributors in your area as they distribute nationwide. For a simple recipe percentage check out the BioDiesel Recipe Calculator. Typical norm now is 22-24% methanol and 5g NaOH (lye) per Liter of vegtable oil. Multiple the NaOH amount by 1.4 if you use KOH instead of NaOH. The advantage of KOH over NaOH is that your byproduct is liquid compared to solid. Note that the above figures for amount of lye are based on New vegtable oil. For WVO you also have to do a titration to determine any additional amount needed. Scales can be found on E-bay all day long. I also highly recommend girlmarks book.
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Old 06-19-2006, 12:58 AM
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wvo processers...

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It appears that everybody so far only filters their WVO.

Does anybody process theirs?

my buddy and I process wvo.we do not use heat,cold,water or lye.technically speaking what we have is a petroleum product,only it is about 92 ish % wvo.we process for 46 cents a gallon.we have changed a few things from the standard method so I am not allowed to go into detail.suffice it to say that the whole process takes about twenty mins per 50 gallons.
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Old 06-19-2006, 07:32 AM
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...we do not use heat,cold,water or lye...not allowed to go into detail.
Not allowed????
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Old 06-19-2006, 08:34 AM
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Not allowed????
Well, maybe he's too ashamed to mention this scam directly,: http://www.dieselsecret.com/feq.html

...........at least not on his first post.
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Old 06-19-2006, 11:58 AM
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now,now..

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Well, maybe he's too ashamed to mention this scam directly,: http://www.dieselsecret.com/feq.html

...........at least not on his first post.
Lets not get crazy right off the bat.I am not allowed because it is not mine to share.he is working on getting patent.My car(1984 300D turbo/approx 155k)runs on this "scam",getting approx 38 mpg at the moment.I say approx because my odometer is broken at the moment,so I can only extrapolate from known distances driven and fuel used.so before you go screaming scam maybe you should find out.I am only involved as an oil collector and test vehicle for product,my friend built his system.
what a bunch of .....
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Old 06-19-2006, 12:06 PM
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Lets not get crazy right off the bat.I am not allowed because it is not mine to share.he is working on getting patent.My car(1984 300D turbo/approx 155k)runs on this "scam",getting approx 38 mpg at the moment.I say approx because my odometer is broken at the moment,so I can only extrapolate from known distances driven and fuel used.so before you go screaming scam maybe you should find out.I am only involved as an oil collector and test vehicle for product,my friend built his system.
what a bunch of .....
38mpg?? You better "re-extropalate".
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Old 06-19-2006, 12:19 PM
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38mpg?? You better "re-extropalate".
right ,right I forgot.you are sitting next to me doing the math.Bite me jackass,you are not the only skeptic.I am also one,so I check and recheck my math.remember test buggy!!so there are several of us doing the math.Just because your narrow spectrum does not include something dont make it not so!!
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Old 06-19-2006, 12:36 PM
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Lets not get crazy right off the bat.I am not allowed because it is not mine to share.he is working on getting patent.My car(1984 300D turbo/approx 155k)runs on this "scam",getting approx 38 mpg at the moment.I say approx because my odometer is broken at the moment,so I can only extrapolate from known distances driven and fuel used.so before you go screaming scam maybe you should find out.I am only involved as an oil collector and test vehicle for product,my friend built his system.
what a bunch of .....
Cute. 38mpg with a broken odometer? And I suppose you don't have a fuel meter either?
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right ,right I forgot.you are sitting next to me doing the math.Bite me jackass,you are not the only skeptic.I am also one,so I check and recheck my math.remember test buggy!!so there are several of us doing the math.Just because your narrow spectrum does not include something dont make it not so!!
I'm numb.

Why don't you fix the odo and report back?
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My car(1984 300D turbo/approx 155k)runs on this "scam",getting approx 38 mpg at the moment.I say approx because my odometer is broken at the moment,so I can only extrapolate from known distances driven and fuel used.
hey, that's pretty good, but I've done even better. Here's the story, that I've only recently been granted the protection to tell, ruled so by the Supreme Court attached to the recent decision to lift a gag order on some librarians (also from CT, amazingly enough) from commenting on certain provisions of the Patriot Act:


Some years ago, I managed to concoct a special variation of fuel oil. It was based primarily on fish guts, which I could obtain gratis at the local docks. For each 55 gallon drum of fish guts, I added battery acid from two 24 size automotive batteries, 3 tablespoons of Worcestershire sauce, and (most importantly as a catalyst), a week's worth of Monkey urine soaked into the pages of Tuesday's edition of the New Haven Register's classified section. Mix it up, leave it in the hot sun, and let it liquefy!!

I got a stunning 52mpg with this stuff!!! Plus, it smelled like Monkfish, which was always a conversation starter. And my SD ran silently on the stuff, and I really mean, silently!!!! Quieter than an electric golfcart, and ultimately TOO silently. Because as soon as the feds found out, they pressured the fishermen to relocate to the New London docks (right near the Sub base). Plus, they checked the immigration status of my neighbor with the monkey and had him deported back to Madagascar. They confiscated my equipment under The Defense of the Realm Act, and brought it to the Sub base. Seems the Diesel powered subs run even quieter than a Nuke sub with this fuel, and faster too!!!!!!!

So a word of warning to you friend, better keep this secret stuff secret, or the guys in dark sunglasses and trench coats will be knocking on YOUR door next. Believe me, it's no fun!!!!!!
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Old 06-19-2006, 12:54 PM
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hey, that's pretty good, but I've done even better. Here's the story, that I've only recently been granted the protection to tell, ruled so by the Supreme Court attached to the recent decision to lift a gag order on some librarians (also from CT, amazingly enough) from commenting on certain provisions of the Patriot Act:


Some years ago, I managed to concoct a special variation of fuel oil. It was based primarily on fish guts, which I could obtain gratis at the local docks. For each 55 gallon drum of fish guts, I added battery acid from two 24 size automotive batteries, 3 tablespoons of Worcestershire sauce, and (most importantly as a catalyst), a week's worth of Monkey urine soaked into the pages of Tuesday's edition of the New Haven Register's classified section. Mix it up, leave it in the hot sun, and let it liquefy!!

I got a stunning 52mpg with this stuff!!! Plus, it smelled like Monkfish, which was always a conversation starter. And my SD ran silently on the stuff, and I really mean, silently!!!! Quieter than an electric golfcart, and ultimately TOO silently. Because as soon as the feds found out, they pressured the fishermen to relocate to the New London docks (right near the Sub base). Plus, they checked the immigration status of my neighbor with the monkey and had him deported back to Madagascar. They confiscated my equipment under The Defense of the Realm Act, and brought it to the Sub base. Seems the Diesel powered subs run even quieter than a Nuke sub with this fuel, and faster too!!!!!!!

So a word of warning to you friend, better keep this secret stuff secret, or the guys in dark sunglasses and trench coats will be knocking on YOUR door next. Believe me, it's no fun!!!!!!
That was you??? Wow! Small world.
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Old 06-19-2006, 02:57 PM
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I was pretty sure that in my original statement I stated that this approx what it was getting.as more numbers pile in over time ,i am sure it will go down.maybe not though,we will see.
to those before....
if the man in the dark suit has not figured out how to get 38 or more per gallon then it seems to me that him coming for the info should be the least of OUR worries.Afterall there are diesel motorcycles that get 90 plus!
Nothing so advanced as a fuel meter sadly.More like15 gallons in on an empty tank.drive as you see fit.I have chosen as much as possible to cover known distances.while this may not be up to rocket science (apparently) standards,it is a viable method to establish a rudimentary baseline.after we burn more than a few tanks of gas, we can establish whether it is a complete waste of time or not.
My original post was in response to does anyone process their own.had I known that the judgement committee was in session I would have stayed a reader not a poster.It is sad and a bit pathetic when a groups first response to something is to attack it and call it a scam.why would anyone want to share what they are doing with this group.so that you guys can(all experts,right) can blast them!!! Minds are like parachutes,they only work when open!
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Old 06-19-2006, 03:45 PM
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I was pretty sure that in my original statement I stated that this approx what it was getting.as more numbers pile in over time ,i am sure it will go down.maybe not though,we will see.
to those before....
if the man in the dark suit has not figured out how to get 38 or more per gallon then it seems to me that him coming for the info should be the least of OUR worries.Afterall there are diesel motorcycles that get 90 plus!
Nothing so advanced as a fuel meter sadly.More like15 gallons in on an empty tank.drive as you see fit.I have chosen as much as possible to cover known distances.while this may not be up to rocket science (apparently) standards,it is a viable method to establish a rudimentary baseline.after we burn more than a few tanks of gas, we can establish whether it is a complete waste of time or not.
My original post was in response to does anyone process their own.had I known that the judgement committee was in session I would have stayed a reader not a poster.It is sad and a bit pathetic when a groups first response to something is to attack it and call it a scam.why would anyone want to share what they are doing with this group.so that you guys can(all experts,right) can blast them!!! Minds are like parachutes,they only work when open!
Even if your margin of error is +/- 10%, you are too high. Any greater margin is pure exaggeration. Motorcycles? With 10% of the weight of a car, that comparison is not valid.

Most W123 drivers are getting between 24 and 30 mpg on diesel, which has a 10% higher energy content than WVO or biodiesel. Most report slightly less fuel mileage on biofuels and that includes blenders using "deezel secrete."

We've heard enough from the folks who have tried the DeeEssEee to know it's nothing special. It doesn't improve the mixing of petro and WVO, it doesn't improve the cold temperature characteristics, and it certainly does not improve the mileage. An open mind learns from the experience of others and does not need to be a lemming just to say it doesn't work.
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rebreath, actually, this is a good forum (although I think it used to be great ) I for one am sensitive to use of this forum by spammers who have begun their first post with some thinly veiled attempt to suck members in with some phony, folksy claim. If this is not you because you are only guilty of being naive WRT one of these fuel additive claims, then my apologies.

If you want to keep an old MB running well and especially do the work yourself, there's lots of good info, but also an increasing amount of bad, so be careful.
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