Biodiesel Tax Incentive what does it mean. - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

boneheaddoctor · #16 11-19-2004, 12:50 PM

Cool there is a place within 40 miles, but its B20 not B100....

boneheaddoctor · #17 11-19-2004, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mikemover

Yeah, that sounds about like the independent guys' prices around here. It just doesn't make any sense to me to pay that much....Not when I can get dino-diesel for $1.99 a gallon right down the street. Unless it's within a few cents of the "real thing", I don't see it going anywhere.....Most people just won't pay twice as much for it. I know I won't.

I'd love to make bio myself, or run WVO, or both, but I just don't have the time or the motivation to get set up for it right now....

Mike

I want to do the same, I have the motivation and the time.....but the online how-tos are just vague enough I have hesitating on taking the next step.

83-240D · #18 11-19-2004, 02:43 PM

check out [url]www.veggieavenger.com

as a source for info.

veggie avenger forum-picture equipment-girl mark also has a picture series of assembling the processor from an electric hot water heater and her manual for making the brew are available for 10 bucks.

pumps can be had from northern tool and they have the hose also. lowes has the black pipe. must be black pipe as bio d will eat the zinc off the other pipe.

now all you need is the methanol from the local drag strip and the lye and you are making fuel.

good luck

boneheaddoctor · #19 11-19-2004, 02:48 PM

I have fears of doing the titration thing wrong and disolving the guts of my IP.

Been a LOT of years since I had chemistry last...

83-240D · #20 11-19-2004, 02:50 PM

i never did chem in school and this seemed pretty simple to me. o yeah you need sealed containers, syringes to drip meth and the all important rubber suit to keep the meth off of you.

or else it is wvo for less effort.

boneheaddoctor · #21 11-19-2004, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 83-240D

i never did chem in school and this seemed pretty simple to me. o yeah you need sealed containers, syringes to drip meth and the all important rubber suit to keep the meth off of you.

or else it is wvo for less effort.

WVO is a better option in my mind for those who make long trips instead of short ones.....Mine tend to average 14 miles and last 20-30 minutes at the longest.

But look whos talking, I am no expert on the subject, just looking at the heating the oil aspect of WVO.

phidauex · #22 11-19-2004, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pdxwaker

Actually the tax credit maxes out at $.20/gallon => B20 has road taxes reduced by $.20 and B100 has road taxes reduced by $.20.

Er... Not exactly.. But you are right, there are some maximums that I originally wasn't familiar with. It relates to whether or not the fuel is from recycled or virgin soy, and the amount of federal excise tax against it.. I'm not 100% sure how the maximums work out, but here is a bit more info from Yokayo biofuels:

http://www.livejournal.com/~ybiofuels/32754.html

Basically, for biodiesel blends, the bill removes up to 24.4 cents per gallon of excise tax, the credit for which is 1 cent per percentage point per gallon for soy biodiesel, and .5 cents per percentage point per gallon for recycle biodiesel blends. Hence, blends of greater than B24 for soy and B49 for recycled will not get more tax credit.

However, B100 distributers can receive an income tax credit (different from the federal excise credit) to the tune of 50 cents per gallon of recycled B100 and 1$ per gallon for soy B100.

Needless to say, complicated stuff... More info as I learn more.

peace,
sam

phidauex · #23 11-19-2004, 03:23 PM

Making biodiesel is easier than you think! In fact, titrating is easier than you think. It actually takes longer to read HOW to titrate than it actually takes to do the titration. Once you get your little titration kit together, you can test oil in about 2 minutes. You can even do the titration on the hood of your car behind a restraunt for instant data.

However, its always easiest if you can find someone nearby who you can work on a few batches with just to get your confidence up.

If you want a good book about it which is up-to-date and very practicality oriented, check out Maria 'girl mark' Alovert's book: http://www.localb100.com/book.html Its a home printed thing, but is based on LOTS of experience and good ideas. I spent a few days with mark when she was in town doing the biodiesel workshops, and she's a really straightforward person and she really knows what she's talking about, and what the challenges are for homebrewers.

peace,
sam

boneheaddoctor · #24 11-19-2004, 03:31 PM

How many pages is it ?.........I got stuck with a real lame Propane injection for diesels book on ebay. THat told me nothing I didn't already know which was very little to begin with.

phidauex · #25 11-19-2004, 03:37 PM

I don't know exactly how many pages it is (don't have my copy around, atm) but it is very complete. Its actually best for people who know a bit about biodiesel already, and are wanting to make the next step and actually make it. It goes over titrating and the other test processes, measuring, reactions, how to do test batches, etc. Its not just webpage stuff compiled together. Plus, if you have questions, girl mark is active on the biodiesel.infopop.cc and biodieselnow.com forums and lots of people are familiar with her methods and similar methods of others and are willing to clarify or help out with certain parts.

You don't 'need' a book to tell you what to do, there is enough info out there to do without, but its so spread out and much of it is not oriented to the homebrewer, so a book like this is a very good place to get some homebrewer-specific info from a good source. Once you've got some actual hands on experience, you'll know more about what else out there actually applies to homebrewers and how to tweak your methods.

peace,
sam

boneheaddoctor · #26 11-19-2004, 04:18 PM

I've done a lot of online research of it, but nothing hands on yet. Keep feeling like something is missing but don't know enough to know what it is. I need to order that book. If its as good as you say it would be worth the price.

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