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Old 02-15-2005, 09:12 PM
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Thumbs up You can run a diesel on vegetable

oil, save money, while running quieter and cleaner.
Search for WVO, SVO and Biodiesel.

Where is that darn list of all the stuff a diesel will run on???
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Old 02-15-2005, 10:28 PM
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OMG VEGGY OIL!! WOW. lol I've gone through the list of possible fuels and the prices of each (usually free or close to it) as I watch their jaws drop.
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Old 02-15-2005, 10:32 PM
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But is it worth the PITA? Wonder why the Cenex gas station stops selling B5 in the winter. How much would it cost if you were to hire someone to do all the work? That is something people leave out in the cost equation.
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Old 02-16-2005, 12:16 AM
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But is it worth the PITA? Wonder why the Cenex gas station stops selling B5 in the winter. How much would it cost if you were to hire someone to do all the work? That is something people leave out in the cost equation.
Give me a break. B20 is sold year round here in Denver. My vehicle starts and drives in to work at -20F on B40.

And converting to SVO is easy.
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Old 02-16-2005, 01:18 AM
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Give me a break. B20 is sold year round here in Denver. My vehicle starts and drives in to work at -20F on B40.

And converting to SVO is easy.
Tell that to the Cenex. I am not making it up. That is exactly what they told me or words to that effect. They seem to feel it will gel up in their tanks. I don't know why and neither do they but they are sure it will. So there we have it.

As to SVO, the conversion is easy. It does leave you with 2 options. A 2 tank system or 1 tank. With 1 tank, would you be able to use regular diesel? If not, that car is only good for communiting to and from work and not for longer trips. With a 2 tank system, you'd have to remember to switch it to diesel before you shut down not to mention the loss of trunk space. I won't even mention having to go collect the stuff and storage issues and what not in the summer, not to mention the inconvenience.
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Old 02-16-2005, 06:17 AM
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OMG VEGGY OIL!! WOW. lol I've gone through the list of possible fuels and the prices of each (usually free or close to it) as I watch their jaws drop.

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I have considered the dual tank system many, many times. However I can't justify the cost: $800 for the kit and $1,000 for the installation from greasel.com, located in MO about 7 hours away from me. Include the cost of driving down there and staying in a hotel and I've got $2,000 into the car.

The system of just putting the WVO in my diesel tank sounds good, but I can only do that in the summer or else the WVO would just freeze up in the winter. I know that I need to obtain several filtration products to get rid of food particles and water from the oil prior to putting it in the tank (same would apply if I got the dual tank system) and I can't quite seem to get the time to research all that information. If I could get a website that lists the entire procedure as well as all the parts required, then I'd get on with the project.
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Give me a break. B20 is sold year round here in Denver. My vehicle starts and drives in to work at -20F on B40.

And converting to SVO is easy.
wow, really? My son just finished a science project testing biodiesel flow in cold temps. He tested different mixtures. The best performer was BK50, made from soy based B100 that was from a fresh, 5 gal pail I purchased and good kerosene I use for my garage heater. At -13C, it was too gelled to flow through a standard MB prefilter. Like, at all. I think performance has a lot to do with what the average temp of the fuel is in the tank and lines. Given long enough time at -20F, I'd be amazed if it wasn't mush. Have you put a bottle of your B40 outside at those temps? I'm really interested in learning more about this. What do you think? Thanks!
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Old 02-16-2005, 01:01 PM
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Biodiesel and WVO - SVO links thread
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Old 02-16-2005, 01:15 PM
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wow, really? My son just finished a science project testing biodiesel flow in cold temps. He tested different mixtures. The best performer was BK50, made from soy based B100 that was from a fresh, 5 gal pail I purchased and good kerosene I use for my garage heater. At -13C, it was too gelled to flow through a standard MB prefilter. Like, at all. I think performance has a lot to do with what the average temp of the fuel is in the tank and lines. Given long enough time at -20F, I'd be amazed if it wasn't mush. Have you put a bottle of your B40 outside at those temps? I'm really interested in learning more about this. What do you think? Thanks!
My whole fuel tank was outside overnight at that temperature. A fellow I work with drives a diesel pickup -- that day his filter plugged and couldn't make it in. He must have had non-winterized diesel (straight diesel), where my fuel was loaded with artic express.
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I saw the title of this thread and thought "Hey, I can just dump in some leftover carrots and peas."
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Yep. That was exactly my thought as well when I read the title LOL
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Old 02-17-2005, 12:30 PM
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I have considered the dual tank system many, many times. However I can't justify the cost: $800 for the kit and $1,000 for the installation from greasel.com, located in MO about 7 hours away from me. Include the cost of driving down there and staying in a hotel and I've got $2,000 into the car.

The system of just putting the WVO in my diesel tank sounds good, but I can only do that in the summer or else the WVO would just freeze up in the winter. I know that I need to obtain several filtration products to get rid of food particles and water from the oil prior to putting it in the tank (same would apply if I got the dual tank system) and I can't quite seem to get the time to research all that information. If I could get a website that lists the entire procedure as well as all the parts required, then I'd get on with the project.
Braverichard-I have researched a few sites and it looks like you could purchase all the parts locally and put your own system together much much cheaper. A guy selling a MB conversion on eBay a few months back did just that-he bought his first set-up from greasel, then copied their system on his next conversion. He related to me that the parts did not run over $200. Best-satsifaction that NOT ONE DIME is going to the Feds. That has to be WORTH somrthing.
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I have considered the dual tank system many, many times. However I can't justify the cost: $800 for the kit and $1,000 for the installation from greasel.com, located in MO about 7 hours away from me. Include the cost of driving down there and staying in a hotel and I've got $2,000 into the car.
Well.. I used to put about $35 of diesel in my car a week. Thats $1820 a year. So my usage would pay for itself in about a year/ year and a half.

You also don't need to buy a kit from greasel. There is plenty of DIY information out there. Even if you wanted to buy their kit. You most certainly don't have to pay them to install it.

My cars were converted for ~$300 each. If you were to rule out the cheap lines I tried to use at first and had to replace.

~$60 for Racor filter on ebay
~$40 for 6 electronic 6-way valve on ebay
~$130 for misc hose parts/clamps/tubing/tee's
~$40 for 12 gallon tank for trunk
~$30 for stuff to mount tank in trunk.

This includes hose-on-hose heating for the entire fuel line to the trunk and a coil around the filter.

This isn't rocket science.
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