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For the BIO and WVO crowd - fiberglass and Bio?
This email was sent to me by a knowledgeable marine surveyor. It brings up an issue I hadn't thought of - my boat has fiberglass tanks though I have never run bio or WVO yet. Any comments or relevant experiences?
"Boat is a 1978 Cheoy Lee 46 foot Long Range Cruiser. Boat has >about 200 gallon aft fuel tank and about 600 gallon foreward fuel >tank. The boat has been in constant service since 1978 and using >mineral diesel. The origional Fords were removed this last year and >Cummins 5.9 B put in. The owner decided to put in some 100% virgin >soy Bio-diesel this fall. 150 gallons were put into the aft tank, >which was almost empty of mineral diesel. The boat has a polishing >system and it is used regularly. After the boat 's foreward tank >was almost empty, the 150 gallons of Biodiesel was pumped to the >foreward tanks, and the Cummins were running on it for a short time >(about 20 minutes). Both engines stopped. After towing the boat to >port, the injector pumps were both found to be siezed. They had >overheated. (Lucas pumps lubricated by the diesel) The cylinders of >the pumps and pump bodies were filled with viscious substance. The 2 >micron racor filters were clear, as were the 10 micron transfer >filters (used when the biodiesel was pumped to the foreward tank). >The biodiesel had turned from a clear amber to a red slighly opaque >substance. Exam of the tanks, revealed a black coating--Cheoy Lee >says > >"It is possible that a little pigment was used in the resin coating >of the tanks to make it clear that coverage was complete. This would >usually have been white though. The resin would have been >orthothalic polyester." The lining of the tanks, where soy was >present, was sticky and soft. A sample of this was obtained and is >sent for analysis (hole saw cutting of a baffel)--the tanks were >refilled with mineral diesel and after new injector pumps, lines and >injectors the engines restarted and rerun. No problems with the >engines yet. Inspection of the tanks--after mineral diesel has been >removed--shows the polyester lining of the resin coating became hard >and brittle/friable. The plan is to soda blast the tanks and coat >them with epoxy. > >The concern is that 100% biodiesel apparently has not been tested >with fiberglass tanks--especially those coated only with polyester >resin--and that may have contained diesel in the past. It is our >belief that most large trucking stations store their diesel in >fiberglass tanks--and that if 100% biodiesel is introduced into >these tanks (as well as other boats) that the same thing will happen >to the injector pumps of on the road trucks (and other boats). The >owner has undertaken to tear out the furnature (double decked >boat--no its not too bad)--and undertake the repairs. > >I have conatacted a friend who worked as VP of coating SE Asia >division in the 80's for Ameron. He fells that both diesel--and more >particularly the biodiesel will attack polyester to one degree or >another. Certain of the esters formed by the biodiesel may be more >agressive in the interaction. > There is a push to start selling 100% biodiesel for trucking in the US. " Reply* |* Quote* |* Profile* |* Edit *
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1984 300Sd 210k Former cars: 1984 300D 445k (!!) (Strider) Original (and not rebuilt) engine and transmission. Currently running on V80 ( 80% vegetable oil, 20% petroleum products). Actually not, taking a WVO break. 1993 300d 2.5 275k. Current 120/day commuter 1981 300SD 188k (Hans) Killed by a deer |
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I've kept biodiesel (washed an unwashed) in polyester bottles (PET soda bottles) for years with no apparent degredation. However, highly pigmented resins may behave differently with biodiesel.
I suppose it is possible that the biodiesel attacked the resin, but I'm surprised that PETE was used as a tank lining. I though epoxy resins were more common tank linings. In terms of plastic resistance, the plastic with the best resistance to biodiesel seems to be HDPE or flouroelastomers. I suppose this is a good warning to test your tank material out before commiting to a large quantity of biodiesel. I'd love to see some pictures of the situation as well. peace, sam
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"That f***in' biodiesel is makin' me hungry." 1982 300TD Astral Silver w/ 250k (BIO BNZ) 2001 Aprilia SR50 Corsa Red w/ 5.5k (>100 MPG) |
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Thanks Sam.
Most boats with fiberglass tanks have them as a part of the hull that was simply glassed off. Lining was rarely done - my old boat was 32 years old with its original polyester resin tank and there was no reaction until a thin layer of something began flaking off a couple of years ago for unknown reasons. I scraped it and coated it with epoxy and all was well. Not until recently were boats built using epoxy and many are still built with polyestser resin.
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1984 300Sd 210k Former cars: 1984 300D 445k (!!) (Strider) Original (and not rebuilt) engine and transmission. Currently running on V80 ( 80% vegetable oil, 20% petroleum products). Actually not, taking a WVO break. 1993 300d 2.5 275k. Current 120/day commuter 1981 300SD 188k (Hans) Killed by a deer |
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