Letter from WVO collector to me... - Page 3 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

mikemover · #31 08-14-2005, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 300TDBioBenz

The fact of the matter is, we pay too much tax anyway, If the government would stop wasting it, what we pay would be sufficient.

I STRONGLY agree with this statement.

But we shouldn't just violate and skirt the tax laws and hope to not get caught..... We should work to CHANGE the tax laws.

Mike

Austin85 · #32 08-14-2005, 04:29 PM

Changing a Tax law on fuel consumption,....Not in Our lifetime...You must be kidding....you would have more luck banning sugar from kid's breakfast cereal....
"keep sucking those barrels.....!

mikemover · #33 08-14-2005, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Austin85

Changing a Tax law on fuel consumption,....Not in Our lifetime...You must be kidding....you would have more luck banning sugar from kid's breakfast cereal....
"keep sucking those barrels.....!

It's not fuel taxes I take issue with... I said in a previous post that I understand the need for fuel taxes.... Without fuel tax, we'd all be driving on dirt roads.

It's the progressive income tax structure of the IRS that irks me...and Social Security.... But that's another topic altogether.... I don't want to hijack your thread....

Mike

#34 08-14-2005, 07:05 PM

Besides paying for road repair, I believe that road tax is also used to pay the environmental costs of burning stuff that has horrid side effects. I'm all for road taxes on gasoline and diesel - the societal costs of burning the fuel are extremely high and shouldn't be thrown on people that aren't causing it.

As far as road tax on WVO... this is a dilemma that I often struggle with. Maybe some people can shed some light. I don't care about the "law" part of it. What it concerns me is that I am still burning equivalent levels of CO2 and Nitrogen. Sure, S emissions are less, but we SVO drivers are still polluters.

mikemover · #35 08-14-2005, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by vwoodruff

Besides paying for road repair, I believe that road tax is also used to pay the environmental costs of burning stuff that has horrid side effects. I'm all for road taxes on gasoline and diesel - the societal costs of burning the fuel are extremely high and shouldn't be thrown on people that aren't causing it.

As far as road tax on WVO... this is a dilemma that I often struggle with. Maybe some people can shed some light. I don't care about the "law" part of it. What it concerns me is that I am still burning equivalent levels of CO2 and Nitrogen. Sure, S emissions are less, but we SVO drivers are still polluters.

On the emissions issue, there is NO ONE who is "not causing it", whether directly or indirectly. Even people who don't own cars still consume goods that were shipped by truck/plane/boat/train/van.....they also most likely use at least one of the following, probably more: taxis, trains, planes, busses, electricity, phones, plumbing.... ALL of the above depend on FUEL, and contribute to emissions.

But the severity (or lack thereof) of the effects of these various emissions is a subject for a separate debate. My personal reading and research leads me to believe that much of the fuss over CO2 is unwarranted...Plants NEED CO2, in case anyone has forgotten!.... I probably shouldn't have even brought this part of it up, because I don't want to derail this thread from it's original topic.

Regardless.... Unless you live in the middle of a rain forest or desert or something, and are not a "consumer" in ANY way (in the modern/capitalist definition of the word), then you DO contribute to these emissions.

As far as taxes on alternative fuels, I DO believe that biodiesel, WVO, etc. should be taxed--even when you burn an alternative fuel, you ARE still driving on the roads, causing the same wear and tear on them.....

But how 'bout a tax break on alternative fuels, proportional to the reduction in emissions and environmental impact they are responsible for?

Mike

bigrichard · #36 08-14-2005, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SD Blue

Now if you wanted the waste veggie oil for "soap making", they would not knowingly circumvent tax laws.

When my methanol supplier asks what I do with a drum of alcohol I tell him I make soap. Use the same line when I by my 55 pound bag of NaOH.

#37 08-14-2005, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mikemover

But how 'bout a tax break on alternative fuels, proportional to the reduction in emissions and environmental impact they are responsible for?

Mike

Well put.

engatwork · #38 08-14-2005, 08:44 PM

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But how 'bout a tax break on alternative fuels, proportional to the reduction in emissions and environmental impact they are responsible for?

I can see the bicycles being dusted off and readied for the road now

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mac2 · #39 08-15-2005, 12:22 AM

Yeah a tax break for alternative fuel... And umm, who is running the country at this point? A find it extremely unlikely that an administration affiliated with big oil companies is going to offer any help. I mean if their policy is giving all the tax break to corporate polluters, it would be sort of hypocritical to offer perks to those who are reducing emissions.

mikemover · #40 08-15-2005, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mac2

Yeah a tax break for alternative fuel... And umm, who is running the country at this point? A find it extremely unlikely that an administration affiliated with big oil companies is going to offer any help. I mean if their policy is giving all the tax break to corporate polluters, it would be sort of hypocritical to offer perks to those who are reducing emissions.

What oil interests does George W. own? Last time I checked, he doesn't own ANY.

Mike

Old300D · #41 08-15-2005, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mikemover

What oil interests does George W. own? Last time I checked, he doesn't own ANY.

Mike

You have it backwards. They own HIM.

Austin85 · #42 08-15-2005, 01:20 PM

No tanks necessary to fill my tank!

Keep diving for WVO save alot of $$$$;
help the environment..
This is the revolution!!!!!!!!!!!!

mikemover · #43 08-15-2005, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Old300D

You have it backwards. They own HIM.

Ah, now I get it!

And he profits from this in what way?............

Hmm?..........

Mike

mplafleur · #44 08-15-2005, 01:37 PM

When I mix my WVO or biodiesel into my tank, it will be as a fuel additive.

Fuel additives are not subject to tax.

And GW is beholdin' to big oil how and why?

#45 08-15-2005, 02:38 PM

Hey again...

Sorry that I wasn't clear. I wasn't implying that there are people out there that don't use oil, but that there are some that choose to use way more than others. Corporations should be shouldering a bunch of this - the way commerce is set up right now, there is NO way (as you said) that I can live fossil fuel free. I have a garden, buy locally as much as possibly, etc., etc., etc. and I still contribute to too much gas being burned.

TO change it up a bit, I just had a conversation with the Dept of Env Protection here in Maine re: WVO and biodiesel. There is little that Maine can do regarding fuel tax and use of non-ASTM certified fuels. She did say one thing that was a bit curious... she mentioned that the Feds could go after people for engine tampering, i.e. those who modified their fuel system. A bit odd, I thought...

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