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Old 08-12-2005, 02:27 PM
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Unhappy Letter from WVO collector to me...

I sent them an email to see how they respond to request for getting WVO from them...

Good Morning Austin,
We received your email inquiring purchasing used vegetable oil for highway
use in your diesel Mercedes.
Tallowmasters collects and produces waste cooking oil as a licensed
renderer. All finished oil is sold to certified feed stock dealers or
biodiesel manufacturers.
We certainly understand that everyone wishes to drive their vehicles for
lower cost. However, using illegal fuels, without paying Federal and State
and county taxes is something that cannot be considered "legal".
World oil prices are escalating and all of us are affected. Even
Tallowmasters, LLC pays for its fuels and taxes for the right to
use/maintain our roads and interstate road systems. To NOT pay your share
for your use of this infrastructure is improper, unethical, and illegal.
Biodiesel will play a part in future diesel production and supply.
(Remember that diesel engines were originally developed to run on vegetable
oil, not petroleum) Because you can do something and possibly get away with
it does not mean you should. We hope that you, if you wish to use
alternative fuel for road use, will pay your fair share.
All taxes on fuel used for highway use are collected by the
manufacturer/distributor, not the end user.

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Old 08-12-2005, 02:31 PM
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well after reading that letter maybe i should do the hail marry 20 times to east or something and then still use WVO.

Until it is considered totally illegal and not just "you found a better fuel that is not taxed, you bad boy" screw them...

just my 2 cents
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Old 08-12-2005, 02:43 PM
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Old 08-12-2005, 03:03 PM
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Tallowmasters is just CYA. They could get in trouble if they promoted home made fuel that avoided state taxes or even bordered on that. Don't forget all the States coffers are empty AFAIK.
Example. Some states have set up roadblocks to check diesel vehicles to see if they are using Ag fuel (dyed red). They target pickup trucks mostly and in rural areas. The fines probably hardly offset the cost of the sting operation.

I was just commenting at a local shop where someone dropped off a free sample of WVO/Bio or whatever. Someone said that they could start supplying it to all the diesel customers that's when I said yes, until the State finds out about it and someone will go to jail. There are stiff penalties for selling fuel for road vehicles (unless you live in the Ukraine or somewhere) without collecting taxes and the paperwork necessary to set up a fuelling station make it impossible to do without environmental impact crap and underground storage tanks and more garbage than I care to imagine.

But I doubt they are going to enforce the small home users who pour Canola in their Mercedes diesel tanks or filter frying oil from a local restaurant. But don't underestimate what authorities have been known to do when it comes to making a point!
There are not many diesels on the road (percentage compared to gassers) but if there were more I can imagine some state Fascists would attempt to do something in the news to scare people away from the concept.
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How the hell does this guy know whether or not you pay road taxes on your fuel? And why on earth would it be his responsibility to school you on the law?
What an absolute ass.
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Old 08-12-2005, 03:16 PM
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How the hell does this guy know whether or not you pay road taxes on your fuel? And why on earth would it be his responsibility to school you on the law?
What an absolute ass.
By "stealing" the WVO you're cutting into his profits and delaying his 8000 sqft home extension.

He might as well start the argument about taxing CO2 that comes from respiration.
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Old 08-12-2005, 03:22 PM
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So, let me get this straight. I'm paying twice for gas that I was paying 18 months ago, and, therefore, I drive a bit less. The roads here haven't become any better since all these new taxes went into play. And, correct me if I'm wrong, please, but aren't these taxes federal. And aren't our streets magistrated by local and state governments? This guy's a douch-bag!
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They had an excellent point. Everyone of us who is burning WVO (or homemade biodiesel) and not paying road taxes is breaking the law. In a lot of states, it is no different than running dyed diesel. Are you likely to get caught? Probably not. But the law is the law and the fine is pretty stiff if you're caught.
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Old 08-12-2005, 04:44 PM
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But I doubt they are going to enforce the small home users who pour Canola in their Mercedes diesel tanks or filter frying oil from a local restaurant. But don't underestimate what authorities have been known to do when it comes to making a point!
Reid, the Feds operate on conviction rate. If I know that you are breaking Federal laws by pouring WVO in a diesel tank, all I need to do is to drop a dime.

If they smell a guaranteed conviction, they will be out there like flies to $hit.

Don't get confused about the level of the crime. They get the same credit for a federal conviction of using untaxed fuel as they would if they prosecuted a Federal bank robbery.

I know of a fellow who they hung for 6 months in Federal prison for making a small misstatement on a bank application. The bank was pissed because he defaulted on a loan (around 9/11 time period) and they determined that the application was not entirely truthful. Dropped a dime to the Feds.

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Old 08-12-2005, 04:47 PM
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So, let me get this straight. I'm paying twice for gas that I was paying 18 months ago, and, therefore, I drive a bit less. The roads here haven't become any better since all these new taxes went into play. And, correct me if I'm wrong, please, but aren't these taxes federal. And aren't our streets magistrated by local and state governments? This guy's a douch-bag!
Fuel taxes are not federal. It's a state tax, and sometimes county-based as well. That's one of the major reasons that fuel prices can vary so widely from state to state, and sometimes from county to county.

I don't think the the guy from Tallowmasters was intentionally being a douche-bag. He's just covering his own a$$, and wisely so. For all he knows, Austin's letter could have been part of a sting operation, and if he were caught selling untaxed fuel, he could be arrested, fined, and/or put out of business.

He probably even burns untaxed fuel in his own car. But if he is a smart businessman, he will not sell untaxed fuel to individuals.

And he's right: Somebody's got to pay for the roads we drive on.... Believe me, I'm not a fan of taxes in general, as anyone can see by my posts in the Open Discussion forum......But the fuel tax is one that actually makes sense.

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Fuel taxes are not federal. It's a state tax, and sometimes county-based as well. That's one of the major reasons that fuel prices can vary so widely from state to state, and sometimes from county to county.
You are half right. Fuel is taxed by both state and federal governments. The state tax varies from state to state, but the federal tax is flat across all states. Fed tax is 24.4 cents per gallon (diesel) right now according to this source:

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/hs01/pdf/fe101a.pdf
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Old 08-12-2005, 05:25 PM
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You are half right. Fuel is taxed by both state and federal governments. The state tax varies from state to state, but the federal tax is flat across all states. Fed tax is 24.4 cents per gallon (diesel) right now according to this source:

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/hs01/pdf/fe101a.pdf
I stand corrected. I forgot that there's a federal tax on it as well. The state taxes very pretty wildly, accounting for the price differences..... Our fuel is pretty cheap here in GA, relatively speaking....

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if you use 80%WVO and 20%RUG, don't you already pay tax ? It's just that your engine is all of a sudden more efficient on the road. :-)
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Old 08-12-2005, 06:09 PM
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if you use 80%WVO and 20%RUG, don't you already pay tax ? It's just that your engine is all of a sudden more efficient on the road. :-)
Only if you burn only your RUG and not the WVO or better yet, if your car contacts the ground 20% of the time it is on the road. You need to be able to prove it tho and Mercedes is not that fast.
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Old 08-12-2005, 08:08 PM
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AFAIK EV owners pay no road tax through fuel taxation and they even get tax breaks on purchase and registration? Why is WVO any different?

There are specific laws against using fuels not intended for vehicle use. Running your car on ag fuel is purposely skirting taxation. I don't run my car on WVO to skirt taxes, there's just no mechanism to pay taxes on it. How is that my fault? It's the government's job to figure out how to tax me.

Is there a road tax on propane for road use?

Does anyone know what the road tax rate is on biodiesel from Arco or a similar commercial source?

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