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Old 09-05-2005, 07:28 PM
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Is there a pump or filter in the stock Diesel fuel tank? I wanted to keep it as simple as possible, so I am looking for really clean oil to filter well and then just put in the stock tank if it would work. Maybe I'd add an electric block heater to the tank and heat the oil up with house power before driving.

It seems with all the extra under hood area behind the headlights, you could put in a 3-5gal tank under hood and it'd be really easy to heat with coolant.

Would it make any sense to heat the oil with on board electricity and turn off the heater after the oil was warm? I wonder if there are any good 12v heaters that would get oil to 170 degrees.

Thank You,
Nick

Thats what I am planning on doing, and I will run a short heat-exchange type setup to it too, probably just a length of copper tubing inside my tank at the bottom of it, spliced in via the same places Andy did to obtain coolant, shouldn't be all that difficult....plus I'd be able to use it in the winter, especially with my hose-block heater, it keeps the coolant at nearly 70C!! I could switch to veg in no time one I started it. All I need is that pollak valve and some hardware......I don't want to deal with installing a huge trunk tank like that as of yet....as a 2-3 gallon under-the-hood dealy would be plenty good for the amount of driving I do 85% of the time. I'd probably even implement a "Low WVO" light into the dash by mounting a standard coolant expansion tank "float" switch into my WVO container, and I could make a "LOW VEG" piece that fits into one of the blank dash indicator slots. Once that went on I'd know I had to switch back to diesel within 10 miles or so. (I'd put it about 2" from the bottom of the container.... )
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Old 09-05-2005, 09:51 PM
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Dang Andy.....you beat me again...you actualy did something I have been pondering for a while but never did just yet...alertnative fuel.
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Old 09-05-2005, 09:56 PM
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Dang Andy.....you beat me again...you actualy did something I have been pondering for a while but never did just yet...alertnative fuel.
Let me know when you want to make the switch. We'll get together with a few other members and have a WVO makeover party. I'd like to convert my 240.

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Old 09-05-2005, 09:58 PM
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I don't see how I can fit a suitable size tank under the hood of the car, that stinks, unless I moved the battery/washer tank elsewhere and mounted it right in that hole.....but I don't think I'd want to do that. Looks like I'd have to try for a trunk system....thats a big job though...and a lot more $$$.....
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Old 09-05-2005, 09:58 PM
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Let me know when you want to make the switch. We'll get together with a few other members and have a WVO makeover party.

Cheers,

Bill
Well I still lean to the Biodiesel direction........as I have three diesel vehicles. And 90% of my trips are 16 miles or less.

I have 5 restaurants that will give me their used oil in cubes...but I need to build a processor...adn thats the stickler....I have found no local mentors.
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Old 09-05-2005, 10:01 PM
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Well I still lean to the Biodiesel direction........as I have three diesel vehicles. And 90% of my trips are 16 miles or less.

I have 5 restaurants that will give me their used oil in cubes...but I need to build a processor...adn thats the stickler....I have found no local mentors.

I do as well, but it co$ts....most of my trips never exceed 10-15 miles one way, most are 4-9 infact....so WVO wouldn't be too practical in the long run....especially when its cold out.
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Old 09-05-2005, 10:07 PM
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I do as well, but it co$ts....most of my trips never exceed 10-15 miles one way, most are 4-9 infact....so WVO wouldn't be too practical in the long run....especially when its cold out.
Yeah by the time the oil got hot enough I would be almost there...

Biodiesel doesn't suffer that fate.

Prefab processors cost $3,000 more than I can stomach....and haven't found sources for all the parts to home brew one....then there is the mentoring issues to get started...but with $3.20 a gallon prices and the fact I go through about 20 gallons a week thats a pretty good motivation to get moving.
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Old 09-06-2005, 12:22 AM
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The facet pump that I bought at napa did not work well at all! As a trial currently I am using one of those water transfer pumps you use with a drill, and a cordless drill to power it... What kind of pump should I get to replace this ?
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Sady,

What didn't work properly about the Facet Posi-Flo pump? I was going to buy one for my Vegtherm SVO setup.

How much did it cost you, too?

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Old 09-06-2005, 07:15 AM
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Well I still lean to the Biodiesel direction........as I have three diesel vehicles. And 90% of my trips are 16 miles or less.

I have 5 restaurants that will give me their used oil in cubes...but I need to build a processor...adn thats the stickler....I have found no local mentors.
Why go the bio route when you can just add RUG to WVO and get the same results?

I was going top set up a bio plant here but found that the by product [glycerin] is kinda tough to dispose of.

So far as I know there are no local mentors. But that could change.

Cheers,

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Old 09-06-2005, 08:02 AM
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Sady,

What didn't work properly about the Facet Posi-Flo pump? I was going to buy one for my Vegtherm SVO setup.

How much did it cost you, too?

Thanks!
Aaron
Actually, after I purged the pump, it worked fine! The first time I tryed, it didnt work becuase it was full of air. It has been working fine ever since.

It cost me about $40 at my local napa (after the cost of the little screw on prefilter)


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Old 09-08-2005, 07:17 PM
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Old 09-09-2005, 07:27 AM
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Bill,

There is a alt energy fsetival in Kempton, Pa Sept. 23-24th. The website is www.paenergyfest.com I am planning on attending and I would think that there will be some bd folks and maybe some conversion folks there. I live near 222 and the turnpike. I would not mind helping on your conversion.
One other thing. Check out the Hess station on Memory Lane and 462. It was at $2.699 on Tuesday. I found this after filling up at $2.999
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Old 09-09-2005, 11:09 AM
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Bill,

There is a alt energy fsetival in Kempton, Pa Sept. 23-24th. The website is www.paenergyfest.com I am planning on attending and I would think that there will be some bd folks and maybe some conversion folks there. I live near 222 and the turnpike. I would not mind helping on your conversion.
One other thing. Check out the Hess station on Memory Lane and 462. It was at $2.699 on Tuesday. I found this after filling up at $2.999
Thanks for the link! What day are you going or will you attend both days? I may be able to go. Am in the middle of a huge job but may be able to get a break by then. We'll see how things progress.

And I certainly would appreciate any help you can offer! Thanks so much.

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Bill
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Old 09-09-2005, 11:13 AM
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Why go the bio route when you can just add RUG to WVO and get the same results?

I was going top set up a bio plant here but found that the by product [glycerin] is kinda tough to dispose of.

So far as I know there are no local mentors. But that could change.

Cheers,

Bill
Hell set it out in the sun to dry then burn it...or bury it...its not a hazardous waste....
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Old 09-09-2005, 11:18 AM
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Hell set it out in the sun to dry then burn it...or bury it...its not a hazardous waste....
BHD,

Around these parts you can't bury dirt.

But they do allow burning. Go figure.

Am going to an alternative fuel expo. Drop me a line if you would like to go. Sept. 23/24

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