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Old 08-24-2005, 04:14 PM
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Biodiesel...anyone

making large quanities to sell? Was thinking of starting a small business.

So what is the deal with the WVO blend? I hear conflicting stories. Can I run small quantities of filtered WVO blended in tank with diesel?
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Old 08-24-2005, 04:33 PM
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You won't have any problems mixing with the obvious of watching cooler temperatures. The biggest problem (read mistake) I have seen is people using straight or waste vegetable oil and then trying to up the cetane with over the counter additives (that are for diesel) that contain KOH in CH3CH2OH. Now you have a chemistry experiment going on in your tank
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Have you seen issues from adding additives to WVO, such as Cetane Boost?

The 'popular' formula right now is 80% WVO, 20% RUG and Cetane Boost for running veggie on a single tank. I'm just getting started, so have no experiences yet.
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Old 08-24-2005, 10:35 PM
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What exactly is RUG?
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RUG = Regular Unleaded Gasoline
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Old 08-25-2005, 08:27 AM
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Have you seen issues from adding additives to WVO, such as Cetane Boost?

The 'popular' formula right now is 80% WVO, 20% RUG and Cetane Boost for running veggie on a single tank. I'm just getting started, so have no experiences yet.
I would be careful of any cetane boost added to any formulation of veggie including B20 if they contain KOH and ethanol or methanol. Take a clear 1 qt jar and fill 3/4 with B20. add 1/2 TBS of KOH (pottasium hydroxide) and either ethanol or methanol - shake and and let stand for 1 hour. The result is what will be in the bottom of your tank.
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While waiting for all my wvo parts to get here, I got impatient and ran up to a 50/50 wvo/diesel in my300d w/ out any problems. I don't think it will work in cooler temps. I tried 80/20 and 90/10 wvo/rug and it worked well BUT it was only 1 tankful each so I do not know the long term effects these mixes will have.
I am trying to avoid biodiesel production as that requires chemical reactions in my garage/basement.

The motor seems to run smoother w/ wvo...why is there a need for cetane boost? Am I leaving out an important factor in my 'system'?
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While waiting for all my wvo parts to get here, I got impatient and ran up to a 50/50 wvo/diesel in my300d w/ out any problems. I don't think it will work in cooler temps. I tried 80/20 and 90/10 wvo/rug and it worked well BUT it was only 1 tankful each so I do not know the long term effects these mixes will have.
I am trying to avoid biodiesel production as that requires chemical reactions in my garage/basement.

The motor seems to run smoother w/ wvo...why is there a need for cetane boost? Am I leaving out an important factor in my 'system'?
You can mix 50/50 in a jar and put in fridge (if the wife will let you) and see when it starts to cloud (temperature).Temperature is an important factor to consider. I loose a little power running straight veggie - it does not bother me but that's a personal preferance - once I'm up to highway speeds it's not an issue.
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My input would be to keep it simple. If you are able to find a retail outlet for b100 I would just go with that and see how you like it. I've been running that in my car and it works great. Just be prepared to change your fuel filter pretty soon since b100 (or vegetable oil for that matter) acts as a solvent to the crud that has built up in your tank and fuel system over the years. Your filter will catch that stuf no problem but if you notice that the car begins to act like it's not getting all the fuel it wants, that's a signal that you've freed up enough sludge that is now in your filter that it's time to replace it. You notice this performance hit when you hit the accelerator pretty hard - it'll just be a bit off compared to what you're used to.

If you want to run wvo it's probably best to have the car professionally converted. I could recommend a guy but he's here on the west coast so it wouldn't do you any good. In case others are interested it's www.lovecraftbiofuels.com, and the guy's name is Brian.

There are many different systems out there to convert a car to veg oil. Your main choice is single tank or dual tank. You may want to consider dual tank if you actually get a "winter" where you live.

You will see about a 3-5% drop in power when you go to veg oil compared to petrol diesel if you change nothing else. Most people just tune the turbo up a bit to compensate (it's a very small hit anyway...).


Myself I'm running b100 until I can arrange the conversion. Probably in a week or so.

HTH... Charlie
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My wife and I have a 50:50 biodiesel:Used Cooking Oil in the main tank. I also use 100% Used Cooking Oil in a second fuel system.
For the blends, I have added a coolant/fuel heat exchanger to heat up the blend to >50C, to both vehicles. I would have preferred to go for 80C, but needed to build a better heat exchanger for that.
In summer, the blend of Used Cooking Oil coes as high as 75% in the main tank.
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Remember, if you are making a dime on any sort of buisness your ducks had better be in a row when the state/federal comes in and starts barking up your tree.

I imagine they would want road taxation, etc. all done.

It would be fun (but perhaps messy?)

If you have a tight group of friends to use it, then the gov. probably woun't care too much though
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Since you are in Pennsylvania you may have an advantage over people in other states due to a law I heard I heard about, I think it's called the alternative fuel Incentives act or some such thing. Another thing you should look into if you're going to start selling biodiesel is talking to a local co-op and seeing how they handle the tax issues. Dealing with the feds and the state should be the first thing you be able to do before going into business with this.


Offtopic: Congratulations Brandon on the biodiesel article in the Graphic, good publicity for alternative fuels.
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I really don't see this happening as a business. I talked to several people who do it in big batches and really know what they are talking about. Even they say there are far too many hoops to jump through.
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Old 08-27-2005, 08:03 PM
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Offtopic: Congratulations Brandon on the biodiesel article in the Graphic, good publicity for alternative fuels.
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...why I oughta!!!! How dare he call it that.

He didn't seem impressed by the 300SD. I think the comment was "well atleast the wheels are still on it"

I'll meet your bet and raise you one autodeath match in the pit!

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