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Old 09-06-2005, 05:44 AM
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diesel secret

anyone heard of this stuff? I also posted it on my diesel truck forum for my friends there.
www.dieselsecret.com
I dont' trust it
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Why don't you trust it?

Why don't you trust it?

It's worth a try. You can't lose that much on this stuff.
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Old 09-06-2005, 06:31 AM
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Found this on greasecar website

Excerpts from the Bio-D.infopop threads

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I had some involvement with Biopower yonks ago. The Diesel Secrets lingo does smack of Biopower

At the beginning Biopower were using about 5% white spirit and 95% SVO and putting it through a mixing and settling process, which I don't think did very much and then use it almost like straight veg oil.
The white spirit (mainly used as paint brush cleaner) was there primarely because it has a lower flash point than SVO and allows start up in warm weather with no heating.
Many alternatives could be used including kerosene (No.1 fuel for home heating, among other things)

As biopower progressed they started experimenting with other solvents which would improve the ignition quality of the fuel (apologies if I have forgotten the fuel lingo to describe this properly)
They then started talking about secret formulas and selling the additives to trusted agents.

Perhaps now they are branching into the US or maybe someone else has beaten them to it.

I don't know what Diesel Secrets are doing about the viscosity of their fuel, but no matter how hard I tried I could not get the viscosity anywhere near petro or bio diesel using the Biopower process.


Posted 19 August 2005 06:51 PM
I was able to cut & paste off my old W95 SYS. here is the actual MSDS info I was sent.

DSE additive Material Safety Data Sheet
General
Synonyms: dimethylbenzene, xylol
Molecular formula: C6H4(CH3)2 This is a mixture of the three xylenes, m-xylene (CAS 108-38-3), o-xylene (CAS 95-47-6) and p-xylene (CAS 106-42-3), and often also contains ethyl bezene (CAS 100-41-4).
CAS No: 1330-20-7
EINECS No:
Physical data
Appearance: colourless liquid
Melting point: -48 C
Boiling point: 137 C
Vapour density: 3.7 (air = 1)
Vapour pressure: 5.1 mm Hg at 20 C
Density (g cm-3): 0.87
Flash point: 27 C (closed cup)
Explosion limits: 1.1 - 7%
Autoignition temperature:
Water solubility:
Stability
Stable. Highly flammable - incompatible with strong oxidizing agents.
Toxicology
Harmful if swallowed or inhaled. Eye, skin and respiratory irritant. May act as a narcotic. Typical TLV/TWA 100 ppm.
Toxicity data
(The meaning of any abbreviations which appear in this section is given here.)

ORL-RAT LD50 4300 mg kg-1
SCU-RAT LD50 1700 mg kg-1
Transport information
Personal protection
Safety glasses, good ventilation. Remove sources of ignition from the working area

General
Synonyms: albocarbon, mighty 150, mighty rd1, moth flakes, NCI-C52904, white tar, naphthalin, naphthene, camphor tar, tar camphor, moth balls
Molecular formula: C10H8
CAS No: 91-20-3
EC No: 202-049-5
Physical data
Appearance: white crystals
Melting point: 77 C
Boiling point: 218 C
Specific gravity: 1.14
Vapour pressure: 1 mm Hg at 20 C
Vapour density: 4.4 g/l
Flash point: 88 C
Explosion limits: 0.9 - 5.9%
Autoignition temperature:
Stability
Stable. Flammable - avoid sources of ignition. Incompatible with oxidising agents. Heat-sensitive. Sublimes slowly at room temperature.
Toxicology
May cause irritation. Toxic by inhalation or ingestion. TLV 10 ppm. Sensitizer. Possible carcinogen.
Toxicity data
(The meaning of any abbreviations which appear in this section is given here.)

ORL-CHD LDLO 100 mg kg-1
UNR-HMN LDLO 29 mg kg-1
ORL-MUS LD50 533 mg kg-1
IVN-MUS LD50 100 mg kg-1
ORL-RBT LD50 3000 mg kg-1
Irritation data
EYE-RBT 100 mg/mld
SKN-RBT 495 mg open mld
Risk phrases
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R20 R21 R22 R36 R37 R38 R43 R45.
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xylol and moth balls

these same chemicals have been touted as MPG improvers for petrol engines for many years
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Viscosity is lowered by blending mainly kerosene (10%) with unsaturated OIL only (no grease). Cetane boost is also recommended.

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Moth Balls? Is that really an ingredient in this stuff or am I misreading it?
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Old 09-06-2005, 10:25 PM
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From the DSE manual....

To five gallons of veg. oil add...
1/2 gallon kerosene
1/4 gallon regular unleaded gasoline
4 ounces PowerService additive
1 ounce DSE secret additive

mix, filter, pump, go

What do you think about it? Anyone done it?
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Old 09-06-2005, 10:26 PM
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BTW...I got a small bottle of this stuff from them....it smells like a cross between PS dieselkleen and moth balls
it reeks
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Old 09-06-2005, 10:43 PM
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So basically they're just thinning the WVO with several chemicals and then advocating running that straight?

With the way prices are going, it might be worth a try...

It just worries me to think of screwing up my IP, injectors, or engine to save a few bucks over diesel...it's the cheap guy who winds up paying the most...

if anyone tries this out definitely post about it.
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Old 09-08-2005, 11:39 PM
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I feel the same way, I'm curious, but afraid it will damage my pump.
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diesel secret

i just ordered their start-up kit. will post info as soon as i try it....
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Old 09-10-2005, 12:27 AM
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I already have it, but afraid to use it. Keep us posted.
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Old 10-20-2005, 10:47 PM
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Yes, I ran across the site today and am intrigued. Inquiring minds want to know. Has anyone used this stuff yet? seems like 1 oz moth balls/5 gallons wvo is a pretty small ratio. I'm always a little distrustful of "secret ingredient" formulae.
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You don't need the 1oz of diesel rip off. There are many people blending successfully without diesel, it's no secret it's a ripoff. Moth balls ( paradichlorobenzene & naphthalene) is very toxic and not necessary for a successful blend.

There is a blend that uses plant oils and was very close to being put to market in Germany. One of the researchers name is Hans Peter Schur. The formula was patented but has expired. Google search Schur Ecofuel, it's a bend 80% canola oil 15% gasoline 5% isoproplyl alcohol. Here's a quick blurb from a crappy google translation, for those who can't search

"A Mercedes Benz of 300 turbo-Diesels is operated without problems since more than 200,000 km with the fuel. The engine of this vehicle was so far three times partly divided and examined by the company Hoeckele, Moessingen, (see reports). The results were very positive. Were neither nonspecific carbon deposits to recognize nor gluings of the piston rings or other damage. Surprising way was cleaner the inside of the engine with each examination of the engine than during the preceding dismantling, which suggests that the fuel has also a cleaning effect. The emission values of the vehicle were measured twice with the TUEV and found good."
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You don't need the 1oz of diesel rip off. There are many people blending successfully without diesel, it's no secret it's a ripoff. Moth balls ( paradichlorobenzene & naphthalene) is very toxic and not necessary for a successful blend.

There is a blend that uses plant oils and was very close to being put to market in Germany. One of the researchers name is Hans Peter Schur. The formula was patented but has expired. Google search Schur Ecofuel, it's a bend 80% canola oil 15% gasoline 5% isoproplyl alcohol. Here's a quick blurb from a crappy google translation, for those who can't search

"A Mercedes Benz of 300 turbo-Diesels is operated without problems since more than 200,000 km with the fuel. The engine of this vehicle was so far three times partly divided and examined by the company Hoeckele, Moessingen, (see reports). The results were very positive. Were neither nonspecific carbon deposits to recognize nor gluings of the piston rings or other damage. Surprising way was cleaner the inside of the engine with each examination of the engine than during the preceding dismantling, which suggests that the fuel has also a cleaning effect. The emission values of the vehicle were measured twice with the TUEV and found good."

Very cool links. I've spent the evening reading them. Some of the questions I've come up with mostly concern the wax precipitation thing. How common is this? I'm assuming that it's somewhat temperature dependent. Also, as you can see from my signature, the two vehicles I'm running are both diesel. I'm quite interested in experimenting with the F-350. Are there things that I should know that are different with the Merc than with the F-350?
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