Wrong, greasecar has had many years and many miles of testing to ensure their product wouldnt hurt any of the engines running on heated wvo. And they have many track records of the amount of miles theyve put on mercedes diesels, ford powersmokes, and VW tdi's. I agree bio-diesel is a good way to go but its a harder process to get the fuel to be properly used if home brewed and proves that it cant be ran in ALL diesels because it causes problems with newer common rail diesels like the jeep libertys tend to start loosing major power and have tons of problems after only 7k on b100. Time will tell but for the most part the greasecar kits do work and they have proven it with their records of many test miles.

biodiesel is easy to make.. come on in 16 and i make it..

a guy in the co-op im in has a 84 TD wagon and a newer w124 diesel he runs on unheated veggie. i think hes crazy and this is in florida.. me ill stick to biodiesel

also dont trust anything from journeytoforever.com its full of crap thats been stolen from others and is politically biased.. stick to biodieselnow.com or biodieselcommunity.org or a preferd site just not JTF

Oh that's good. You can't have it both ways. So greasecar has many many miles on WVO conversions with no problems, but supposedly newer diesels can't run B100 for even 7k miles. Please. There is NO data to suggest B100 (without water, soap, alcohol, glycerol, vegetable oil of course) cannot be run in ANY diesel vehicle.

Got data?

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'83 240D with 617.952 and 2.88
'01 VW Beetle TDI
'05 Jeep Liberty CRD
'89 Toyota 4x4, needs 2L-T
'78 280Z with L28ET - 12.86@110
Oil Burner Kartel #35

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I got interested in alternative fuels and wanted a diesel engine to play with.
I decided on a Mercedes... but have fallen so in love with it,
that I am fully content to feed it dino and do not wish
to jeopardize it's performance by experimenting on it with WVO.

I'd try some biodiesel, if any were available in my area.

I also see WVO sources drying up, as more people become involved in this.

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From what ive seen to properly make it, its a pretty hard process. Im 17 myself and i stick with wvo fuel mixing and the wannabe greasel kit.

If bio-d isnt made properly it will endup ruining your engine. But you wont notice any difference because diesels will run on bad fuel anyway. So if you (not saying you are) are making bad bio-d and your car is running fine well thats because diesels especially merc diesels will run on the bad fuel and you wont know it. You have to do many tests and wash the bio-d properly to make sure its 100% usuable and clean. And its a pretty hard process. A proper kit to run on heated wvo will work just as good as bio-diesel because a kit form greasecar has proven test miles. They have put 100K on a brand new jetta tdi with their GC kit and havent had any problems. And only have done normal oil and filter changes and properly filter their wvo and the car runs A ok.

People on the infopop bio-d forum have had the problems with running B100 in their jeep libertys. One person had put about 7k on B100 and had a huge power loss and many other engine problems. Put normal diesel it and all the problems went away. Took it to get it checked at the dealer and the mechanic told him to stop using B100. And he said yeah right but when he ran B100 again the car started having the power loss and engine problems. Ill link you the discussion.

We'll wait to see what happens in the real world, in about 5-10 years there will either be lots and lots of VWO cars running around, or the rest of us will have plenty of parts cars.

yeah time will tell. For the most part its working out for me now and the other people on the greasecar forum. But hey some people have their doubts and i understand but if its not for you its ok because that just means more wvo for me

I realize we are all talking about anecdotal evidence, so I will share mine. I ran WVO on my "Old300D" for a spring and summer. It would not run well unless it was heated and purged, at least partly. The car had dodgy injectors that would knock on petro-diesel, but it was quiet on WVO. The engine also had significant blowby. I changed the sump oil after using WVO for a while, and it was sticky and smelled of Chinese. That changed my mind on WVO. I've never run WVO in my 240D with a 300D turbo engine. I'll put my homebrew B100, well washed, good conversion, against anyone's WVO for reliability or engine longevity.

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'83 240D with 617.952 and 2.88
'01 VW Beetle TDI
'05 Jeep Liberty CRD
'89 Toyota 4x4, needs 2L-T
'78 280Z with L28ET - 12.86@110
Oil Burner Kartel #35

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If you're using Power service as cetane boost, results may be inconsistant. It only contains between 5-40% EHN.
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:zhbQY2nKrKUJ:www.powerserviceproducts.ca/safety/DIESEL%2520KLEEN%2520CETANE%2520BOOST%25201500.doc+Diesel+Kleen++Cetane+Boost+msds&hl=en
Amsoil Cetane boost is 100% EHN. You wull find a great difference in it, compared to PS.

Personally I would not run high viscosity fuel (like >80% WVO).
There are published results (mostly German) of it causing problems.

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2006 CLK 500 coupe Capri Blue on Grey (zoom,zoom)
47,000mi

04 VW TDI Passat 80,000mi
(Techno)

How to eliminate oil dependency through market-driven approaches.
“We could cut oil use in half by 2025, and by 2040, oil use could be zero,”
The Sound of Diesel Speed
Ode to MB

OK, So I should stick to what has been working lately. A blend of over 20% Diesel mixed with cleaned WVO, and the cetane boost, Acetone.......WAIT....Someone's gotta tell me how acetone is gonna ruin my engine or cause my trunk to start leaking.
My engine may be more tolerant than most 'cause it seems to run smoother the more WVO it gets......

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'81 280SEL

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81 300SD -
93 300E w/ 3.2
85 300D-
79 300SD
82 300CD
83 300CD - CA
87 190E 5 spd
87 Porsche 924S

"..I'll take a simple "C" to "G" and feel brand new about it..."

Bonehead... Biodiesel sounds good

LETS DO THE MATH

200K miles on diesel is going to cost more than........$25.000 in DIESEL FUEL @ 2.50 a gal.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The savings in fuel cost running WVO.. one could buy 5 NEW ENGINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MY savings from both car & truck running WVO is over $500.00 per month or $6000.00 + a year

It wont be long before we see diesel at $4.00 bucks a gal.

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1984 300SD.. White/Chrome Bunts..Green

1997 2500 Dodge Ram 5.9 Cummins 12 Valve 36 PSI of Boost = 400+hp & 800+tQ .. ..Greenspeed

2004 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 Quad Cab Cummins 5.9 H.O "596hp/1225tq" 6 spd. Man. Leather Heated seats/Loaded..Flame Red....GREENSPEED

Global warming...Doing my part, Smokin da hippies..

Fight the good fight!......

Yeah if you mess up the engine (like you can anyway) running your car on wvo with a kit, with all the money you save you can pay to get the engine rebuilt and there you go! its back to normal. wvo saves you cash

When I emailed Hans Peter Schur (Schur Ecofuel) and discussed blends. He said the first thing is to get the viscosity thin enough (of course you have to take into account the condition of your injectors) to get proper atomization. Then figure out how much power (performance) is acceptable. Usually the more RUG you add, the better the viscosity, but less performance and cold idle/start characteristics.

If you can get E85, you may want to try it. IMO I always felt 80/20 with diesel was too thick. Hence I run 70/20/10 WVO/K1 or#2/RUG + assorted additives.

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1999 E300DT (131,800) 154,000 Black on Black SOLD

2006 CLK 500 coupe Capri Blue on Grey (zoom,zoom)
47,000mi

04 VW TDI Passat 80,000mi
(Techno)

How to eliminate oil dependency through market-driven approaches.
“We could cut oil use in half by 2025, and by 2040, oil use could be zero,”
The Sound of Diesel Speed
Ode to MB

Hmmm... Less than elegant.