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Old 07-25-2006, 12:43 PM
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Well, since it's illegal, then the geo-thermal AC/Heating for the home, solar panels, windmills, etc should be illegal as well. It seems like anything used to save money by not supporting Big Oil and Terroristic OPEC is illegal.
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Old 07-25-2006, 01:04 PM
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No modification is needed if using WVO together with diesel.

I have been using 35% -40% WVO for the last 2 years ( with no mods to the engine or fuel tank). I normally add 5 gallons of WVO to 8 gallons of diesel. When my fuel indicator gets to about 1/4 tank, I do the above.

The car runs quieter and the operating temps is a couple of degrees cooler.

My believe is that different oils have different effects on the seals and gaskets. Using WVO by itself is asking for trouble.

That's my story and I am sticking to it!
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Old 07-25-2006, 01:47 PM
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As long as you pay the taxes the govt could care less.


That's what it boils down to in the end...
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I'm glad those studies were cited. I didn't know it doesn't work. After 10 months and 30,000 miles, I guess I should give up. Studies don't lie.
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Old 07-25-2006, 04:00 PM
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I'm glad those studies were cited. I didn't know it doesn't work. After 10 months and 30,000 miles, I guess I should give up. Studies don't lie.
I guess my two months and 7,500 miles are just me playing with fire! If I'm not careful my engine will find out about those studies and quit working.

I wonder if we should tell Elsbett (http://www.elsbett.com/engl/vegoil.htm) about this old research using cold vegetable oil. I bet they will contact all of their customers who have been running heated vegetable oil for years and tell them to stop doing it!
http://www.elsbett.com/engl/vegoil.htm

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Old 07-25-2006, 04:55 PM
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The whole road / fuel tax program will problably change in the next ten years.... How else will the state and federal gov's fund road projects if everyone using the roads is driving electric vehicles, high mpg hybrids, or running on Walmart veg. oil or home brew? The money has to come from somewhere!

it seems they're already one step ahead of you...
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Old 07-25-2006, 06:10 PM
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BioD is not illegal...

>600 gallons/yr here in Montana requires payment of quarterly road taxes. The state does require a WVO-transport license for any amount intended for use as biodiesel. But that's actually a good thing because of what happened in Salt Lake City, where commercial WVO haulers essentially shut down the sizeable BioD community by pressing the county to enforce the law requiring a WVO license.

My 300TDT sure likes BioD!
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Old 07-26-2006, 11:26 PM
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I guess my two months and 7,500 miles are just me playing with fire! If I'm not careful my engine will find out about those studies and quit working.

I wonder if we should tell Elsbett (http://www.elsbett.com/engl/vegoil.htm) about this old research using cold vegetable oil. I bet they will contact all of their customers who have been running heated vegetable oil for years and tell them to stop doing it!
http://www.elsbett.com/engl/vegoil.htm

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The glycerides in vegetable oils rapidly form engine deposits and often will lead to engine seizure. The following photo was taken of an engine piston that had been operating for a relatively short time on straight vegetable oil:


Photo thanks to Jon van Gerpen, U. of Idaho.
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Old 07-27-2006, 12:47 AM
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give me a brake..

The issue is taxes....its illegal not to pay taxes...
its does not matter what you use in your tank...all fuel is taxed...

1. Pres bush passed an exemption for bio fuel....so right now you are not committing a federal crime...

2. Yes, everyone is committing a state crime, unless you contact your state and submit a use form and make the payment for the taxes you would have paid if you were driving on gasoline...

So its not illegal to drive on homade bio... its just illegal to not pay the taxes..

now if you were making alchol you would also have to pay the hwy taxes, have a permit for your still and denature the alchol...


Now to this character who says the experts have tried and failed....
I am an expert.... and I drive every day on veggie oil...all I do is pour it straight into my tank... I have none of the extra stuff.... none... I challenge any of you to come see for yourself....yes, my day job is law enforcement...
so i would be qualified in that area as well...
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Old 07-27-2006, 12:54 AM
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such a joke

there has been no studies.... and that is not a piston run for a relatively short time on veggie oil....you must remember people have a lot to loose if we start driving on veggie oil... the oil companies, and the car companies, the gov, that is why they killed mr Diesel becasue he wanted to run on veggie oil... so all this stuff is just lies...

the piston from that photo is from a car that had a couple hundred thousand miles on it... and then they ran it on veggie oil for a relatively short time... dissassembled it and said "look at this piston" No one has gone out and bought a 70k dollar new diesel car and ran it for a relatively short time and then dissassembled the engine and taken pictures of the pistons...no one has the funds....
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Old 07-27-2006, 12:58 AM
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sure

i am sure my 250k mile piston looks just like that one...

but it still works wonderfully.....
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Old 07-27-2006, 01:18 AM
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i am sure my 250k mile piston looks just like that one...

but it still works wonderfully.....
Any engine can run well but be nearly toasted inside. It when it stops running that people think the engine is bad.

"new diesel car and ran it for a relatively short time and then dissassembled the engine and taken pictures of the pistons...no one has the funds...."
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Old 07-27-2006, 01:20 AM
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Blueranger, when you ever pull the head off your engine, how much will you be charging for us to come and watch? I'll pay $15 at least for a ticket
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Old 07-27-2006, 01:23 AM
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Blueranger, when you ever pull the head off your engine, how much will you be charging for us to come and watch? I'll pay $15 at least for a ticket
Heck, I'd give $50 to see his pistons.
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Old 07-27-2006, 01:28 AM
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maybe blueranger is right after all.
one shouldn't spoil them too much, those benzes. same with german shepherds.

serious, where can all those tests be read? is elsbett a well respected engine-destroying company then? confusing, this WVO business.
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