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Old 08-20-2006, 02:03 AM
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A diesel with a hydrogen gererator?

Does any one know if a diesel can really run with a hydrogen generator attached to the system. This guy says that you can. (http://cgi.ebay.com/Hydrogen-Gen erator-Save-gas-fuel-gain-higher-MPG_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ294QQihZ016
) LONG ADDRESS ISN"T IT. Ebay Item number: 260023030971. It sounds like it could help with gas but I don't know about a diesel, especially a 300d or 240d. Do any of you high techs have any knowledge about this. What do you think. Let everyone else know. This is a quote from him "Can my engine burn hydrogen?
Yes, any engine can burn hydrogen even diesels. The rocket engines that push the shuttle into outer space use liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen. Jet Propulsion Labs in California knows this works!!" Thanks , RAY M

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Old 08-20-2006, 02:17 AM
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No. It's snake oil. The private feedback should be a HUGE RED FLAG.

It takes more energy to pull hydrogen out of water than can be used from burning it. It's also not economically possible to run an engine on hydrogen alone. If you look at prototypes like BMW, they have a large liquid hydrogen fuel tank chilled to -423 degrees Fahrenheit and pressurized to over 10,000psi to get a few miles.

Save your $25.
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Old 08-20-2006, 02:35 AM
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Other scams sold on ebay and everywhere else:
Turbonator/Air genie/ Tornado
Electric superchargers
Fuel atomizers
Power Jet
Fuel line magnets/ionizers
Voltage stabilizers
"Pass emissions" fuel additives (Methanol)
Air "compressors"
Hydrogen generators

None of them work. All they do is transfer your money (That could be used to fill your tank) into their bank account.

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Old 08-20-2006, 10:33 AM
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Mythbusters bought one of these hydrogen generators, and yes it does produce hydrogen, but not enough to run a car on.
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Old 08-20-2006, 04:08 PM
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Mythbusters bought one of these hydrogen generators, and yes it does produce hydrogen, but not enough to run a car on.
They also didn't hook it up right. They were trying to run ONLY on hydrogen. They blocked off the carb inlet, not letting any air into the engine.

All those "Hydrogen generators" are fuel supplements only, thay can't produce anywhere near enough to be the only fuel for an IC engine to operate.

Like I said before, they take so many amp-hours to produce a few grams of hydrogen, they are far from efficient. With the drag put on the alternator from constantly putting out 60 amps, it can't break even on power output.
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Old 08-20-2006, 04:17 PM
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They also didn't hook it up right. They were trying to run ONLY on hydrogen. They blocked off the carb inlet, not letting any air into the engine.

All those "Hydrogen generators" are fuel supplements only, thay can't produce anywhere near enough to be the only fuel for an IC engine to operate.

Like I said before, they take so many amp-hours to produce a few grams of hydrogen, they are far from efficient. With the drag put on the alternator from constantly putting out 60 amps, it can't break even on power output.
Engines have been run completely on the output from electrolizers, but they were tiny engines hooked to huge electrolizers, and thus mean nothing in the wild.

What the designers of these things hope is that the added hydrogen and oxygen will somehow make the gasoline combustion more efficient. While I don't put any stock in their claims, this can't be eliminated so easily. However, if this worked, the automakers would be all over it.
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Old 08-20-2006, 05:40 PM
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They also didn't hook it up right. They were trying to run ONLY on hydrogen. They blocked off the carb inlet, not letting any air into the engine.

All those "Hydrogen generators" are fuel supplements only, thay can't produce anywhere near enough to be the only fuel for an IC engine to operate.

Like I said before, they take so many amp-hours to produce a few grams of hydrogen, they are far from efficient. With the drag put on the alternator from constantly putting out 60 amps, it can't break even on power output.
The gas which is produced from these "hydrogen generators" is not "ONLY Hydrogen." You see, these "Hydrogen Generators" are merely breaking apart water molecules. Everyone knows that water contains 2 atoms of Hydrogen and 1 atom of Oxygen, which means that there is ultimately oxygen mixed with the hydrogen that is produced from the generator.

Your right about how it takes a lot of electrical energy to do the work of splitting up the water, keeping water from being a viable fuel source.

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