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Old 09-13-2006, 07:07 PM
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Please excuse this if you have experience the WVO.
Do a little research before having someone do a conversion. With a little knowledge you can at least tell if a problem is with the conversion or some other MB issue or if you have the skills, do it yourself and save a bundle.
Journey to Forever is a good site listing many links and will help you make the decision on 1 or 2 tanks, SVO, biodiesel od blends, heaters, filters ... http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/oilcollectiontank/ Dana Linscot (not the Dana methoned in this thread) has alot of experience.
With a bit of know how, you can decide which is best for your climate and personal needs. Some folk make the decision on the other uses they have for fuel.
A conversion is a one time thing while processing your oil is continuous. Many people fail to realize this and give up after a few messy or gloopy days.
I use a blend and plan to use 12V pad heaters on the fuel and IP lines assisting a engine water heater till 0*F and deisel at lower temps ... the payback on a conversion and processing in my case came to 10 years! Hugging trees is ok but it is better if you also can afford to buy a few to plant!
All these alt. fuel systems are custom, your oil source if different than some folk, your fuel processing may differ and your vehicle may be different than another processor, so take advice with a grain of salt and make an educated guess.
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Old 09-13-2006, 09:26 PM
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Please excuse this if you have experience the WVO.
Do a little research before having someone do a conversion. With a little knowledge you can at least tell if a problem is with the conversion or some other MB issue or if you have the skills, do it yourself and save a bundle.
Journey to Forever is a good site listing many links and will help you make the decision on 1 or 2 tanks, SVO, biodiesel od blends, heaters, filters ... http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/oilcollectiontank/ Dana Linscot (not the Dana methoned in this thread) has alot of experience.
With a bit of know how, you can decide which is best for your climate and personal needs. Some folk make the decision on the other uses they have for fuel.
A conversion is a one time thing while processing your oil is continuous. Many people fail to realize this and give up after a few messy or gloopy days.
I use a blend and plan to use 12V pad heaters on the fuel and IP lines assisting a engine water heater till 0*F and deisel at lower temps ... the payback on a conversion and processing in my case came to 10 years! Hugging trees is ok but it is better if you also can afford to buy a few to plant!
All these alt. fuel systems are custom, your oil source if different than some folk, your fuel processing may differ and your vehicle may be different than another processor, so take advice with a grain of salt and make an educated guess.

I would like to see your heating setup when you get it done. Maybe post some pix? Thanks.

Also thanks for the link. When I get time I will read it thoroughly.

Cheers,

Bill
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Old 09-13-2006, 10:41 PM
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Talking I filter it and pour it in the tank, but people think I'm nuts.

Hello All

This is just what I have been doing. I do not recomend that anyone follow in my footsteps. I am beginning to think I might be insane !!!

( the actors in this show are trained professionals, do not attempt this at home )

I bought an 1981 300D off Ebay for $ 810.00

I collect used vegetable oil from a local truck stop resturant.

I filter it down to 1 micron.

I pour it into the tank.

No additives, nothing to thin it down, just straight veggie oil.

I have driven around 5,000 miles like this.

No heaters, but I do live in Texas.

I have had no problems but the ocassional fuel filter that needed changing.

My car seems to run better on the veggie oil than diesel from the pump, but I cannot prove it.


Once again I will add, even I think I am insane !!!, and so does the state !!!

But this is my experiance.

( your milage may vary )

And hay, if the injection pump, engine, injectors, etc, etc all fail tomorrow I have saved a lot of money to pay for new ones. Hell the car has already paid for itself.

Love you all

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Old 09-13-2006, 11:15 PM
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I am interested in learning how to do the conversions myself. I am in Los Angeles and will gladly pay anyone in the area to teach me how to do it. Does anybody here convert cars for people. If so how do I contact you? You can contact me chosenberg@hotmail.com
YOu are in LA. Save yourself alot of hassle and send a PM to MattSD300 in Escondido. He will cut through all the nonsense with you like he has for alot of other forum members.
He also coincidentallly has a current post where he wants to give away a bunch of already filtered WVO.

ENjoy, Post some pics of your new MB;

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Old 09-13-2006, 11:39 PM
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Anyone know of a good east coast based conversion company?

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There's a guy in Allentown who does conversions. They're super backed up because of all the interest. I'll try to dig up his name.
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Old 09-14-2006, 08:01 AM
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There's a guy in Allentown who does conversions. They're super backed up because of all the interest. I'll try to dig up his name.
Thats great! Seems like all the conversions are done by shops out west. Here in the east we have the cold to deal with, posing a whole new set of hurdles.

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Old 11-16-2006, 01:47 PM
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Lovecraft and East Coast conversions

Old thread, but...

I live in Philadelphia, but I was in Los Angeles last week for a wedding. I went over to the new Lovecraft garage in Silver Lake and watched a conversion on a pristine 300D from start to finish. It seemed totally legit. The only drilling was to mount the new filter. The spin on was replaced with a heat exchanger that screws on in its place. No drilling holes, no metal flakes going anywhere. It seemed like a good one tank system. The mechanic who did the conversion said he has pulled several Greasecar kits out of unhappy customer's cars and installed Lovecrafts for them. He even put one in the Governator's Humvee.
I asked him about cold starting - because I live back east - and he said he did a conversion for a guy who lives up in the mountains where it gets pretty cold, and he blends a little RUG or some Kero when it gets really cold and it starts up fine. He also said that they recommend waiting a little after the glow plug light goes out and keeping the accelerator floored before starting it up.

It seemed like a good system to me. I know the weather is ideal in SoCal for a one tank system, but it seemed like it would work in a colder climate by running a blend. So my question is, what is the basis for the Lovecraft nay-saying? I've heard people talk about specific problems they've had with the Greasecar kit, but everyone on here is only saying don't buy Lovecraft, it's no good. Well, why? Because it seemed pretty good to me, and very DIY-able. $425 for a complete kit or $700 and they install it for you, compared to $800 for a Greasecar kit uninstalled.

As far as an East Coast garage that will convert your car, there is a guy in the Philly area - see smarterfuel.com - and he quoted me a whopping $2000 for parts and labor on a 2 tank system. Granted, it's nice looking and all the gauges are mounted real nice, but $2000!!
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Old 11-16-2006, 03:38 PM
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Old thread, but...

I live in Philadelphia, but I was in Los Angeles last week for a wedding. I went over to the new Lovecraft garage in Silver Lake and watched a conversion on a pristine 300D from start to finish. It seemed totally legit. The only drilling was to mount the new filter. The spin on was replaced with a heat exchanger that screws on in its place. No drilling holes, no metal flakes going anywhere. It seemed like a good one tank system. The mechanic who did the conversion said he has pulled several Greasecar kits out of unhappy customer's cars and installed Lovecrafts for them. He even put one in the Governator's Humvee.
I asked him about cold starting - because I live back east - and he said he did a conversion for a guy who lives up in the mountains where it gets pretty cold, and he blends a little RUG or some Kero when it gets really cold and it starts up fine. He also said that they recommend waiting a little after the glow plug light goes out and keeping the accelerator floored before starting it up.

It seemed like a good system to me. I know the weather is ideal in SoCal for a one tank system, but it seemed like it would work in a colder climate by running a blend. So my question is, what is the basis for the Lovecraft nay-saying? I've heard people talk about specific problems they've had with the Greasecar kit, but everyone on here is only saying don't buy Lovecraft, it's no good. Well, why? Because it seemed pretty good to me, and very DIY-able. $425 for a complete kit or $700 and they install it for you, compared to $800 for a Greasecar kit uninstalled.

As far as an East Coast garage that will convert your car, there is a guy in the Philly area - see smarterfuel.com - and he quoted me a whopping $2000 for parts and labor on a 2 tank system. Granted, it's nice looking and all the gauges are mounted real nice, but $2000!!
There is a reason why this guy is cheaper. You pay $425 and all you get is a heated filter and some fuel line. You can get the filter for half that.

You will be better off not starting cold on vegetable oil; a two tank conversion will be more reliable.
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Old 11-16-2006, 10:22 PM
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A 1 tank system won't work in Philly, it gets way too cold there. A two tank system is best for you (and anyone wanting to play in this fad).
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Old 11-17-2006, 02:54 PM
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In my spare time I make and install 2 tank systems in these Benzes locally, (up here in canada). My own personal system is alittle differant than the other kits available on the internet and it is very simple.

I usually sell a kit installed for between 800 and $1000.

I use a mercedes fuel sender when running on veggie oil to tell the dash gauge the fuel level, I have a coolant heated tank in the trunk that is heated by a coil of stainless steel gas hose. I then run common 3/4 heater hose from then engine compartment along the fuel lines to the trunk compartment. The fuel filter is heated with a glow plug that cycles around 75-80 deg C, then the fuel passes through a selector valve and into the stock fuel system. The downside is longer changover times, the upside is redundant filters. Depending on availability I also use Fattywagons injector line heaters, I use a pollak 6 port unit to control fuel flow, and all the appropriate relays and fuses.

Before I sold my example kit in my car it ran excellent on Veggie oil filtered to 5 microns using mcmaster car PE filters.
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Old 04-07-2007, 12:24 AM
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Hey Fella,

Here is the name, tel # and email address of a fella who has done his. He can assist you and can also sell you a kit.

His name is Lonnie, his tel number is (316) 641-0857. His email address is:
lbailey2@cox.net.

Tell him that Alfred Odom gave you his information.

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