Biodiesel....SVO....WVO....???? - Page 4 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

#46 12-08-2006, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by greasybenz

Secondly, germany has the standards set for biodiesel. The mandated DIN specs allow manufactures to let the car owner to run anywere from B1-B100 with no warranty voiding as the fuel is high quality because of the mandate.

That's why it's successful in Europe and the UK, government standards.

Meanwhile, the USA has hacks like Lovecraft...

bgkast · #47 12-08-2006, 04:02 AM

Lovecraft is a WVO system, which are not legal or regulated on any continent.

#48 12-08-2006, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

Biodiesel/WVO/SVO is a passing fad....

I don't think that commercial BD is a passing fad, but the price of petro fuel isn't high enough to drive it to the mainstream in the U.S., yet. I suspect commercial BD (probably up to B20, or so) will catch on eventually, once it is fully endorsed by the engine manufactures. I just don't know if it will take another 2 years or 20 years, we'll just have to wait and see.

I don't think homemade BD, SVO, or WVO will ever get past the lunatic fringe stage. Most people simple aren't interested in that much work/hassle/risk. There will probably be a large enough continuous market to support a few small companies as a few people get interested for a while, then are replaced by a few more who give it a try. Sorta like brewing your own beer, a very few folks do it long term but most just dabble in it for a while then lose interest. In any event, it will never be big enough to affect fuel availability or price, so I don't care about it (other than having to avoid hacked up used cars). That's all assuming some regulator or tax authority doesn't decide to end the entire enterprise.

riethoven · #49 12-08-2006, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by mrhills0146

I ought to clarify.

My doubt is not with biodiesel as there's plenty of empirical evidence that Diesels in general and MB Diesels in particular run just as well and just as long on bio as on 100% petro.

What makes me laugh

is someone who thinks that it's a good idea to take a bunch of used oil from a restaurant and run it through his car.

Even better is the proliferation of bootleg, fly-by-night "converstion" kits, some of which involve apparatuses that look like a beer keg strapped to the roof of the car with hoses running hither and yon.

Biodiesel <> WVO/SVO. I do run bio in my MB from time to time. If you want me to run WVO or SVO you'd better pay me enough for a new IP and new injectors when they fail.

Anyone who references my WSC quote in my signature as proof that I'm a hypocrite

ought to do some looking into the context of the quote.

This is why I think the veggie oil kits are doomed for long term use. If you are using WVO with no testing and no water removal you are asking for coking on other problems long term. Biodiesel made correctly is consistent and safe for your engine long term.

justinperkins · #50 12-08-2006, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by probear

Some interesting reading in at least the first link (couldn't find Bio information on the second one ) . Basically VW said that production standards are the biggest hindrance in approving higher ratios. For a while, that will be the biggest problem associated with Bio-D.

Yeah I couldn't find a specific mention of biodiesel in that site, but through being subscribed to the biodiesel.org mailing list I heard that International endorses biodiesel and considers anything up to B20 to be quality fuel (non-warranty voiding). There's a few PDFs with info if you search on "International trucks biodiesel".

olsaltybastard · #51 12-08-2006, 12:31 PM

I have considered making biodiesel, but the process and the leftover glycerine (what to do with it) keeps me away. WVO - I just don't trust it. Not enough to put it in my car, anyways.

The only commercially available "biodiesel" available to me is about 15 miles away and only B2. My only issue with this is the labeling of the pump "Biodiesel". Really, it's diesel containing biodiesel. You can't go around selling water with 2% Pepsi and call it "Pepsi".

justinperkins · #52 12-08-2006, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by olsaltybastard

... and the leftover glycerine (what to do with it) keeps me away

Make soap?

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Originally Posted by olsaltybastard

The only commercially available "biodiesel" available to me is about 15 miles away and only B2.

Some towns seem much more willing to promote alternative fuels than others. For example here in Austin we can get B5, B20 and B99 at various locations throughout town (B20 being the easiest to find). I also see a lot of GM Flexfuel vehicles, so there must be some E85 pumps here and there as well. Lots of the city vehicles are propane powered as well. I noticed a lot more propane powered vehicles after moving to the southwest compared to CA, don't know how popular it is in the rest of the country.

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Originally Posted by olsaltybastard

You can't go around selling water with 2% Pepsi and call it "Pepsi".

You can't call it water either though, so to just keep it simple you call it Pepsi and then just underneath that you say "2% Pepsi".

twr · #53 12-12-2006, 02:14 AM

Is it true that Mercedes recommends RUG on cold climates?

http://www.lovecraftbiofuels.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=36&Itemid=28
Lovecraft Biofuels - Cold weather and your Lovecraft conversion.

#54 12-12-2006, 02:17 AM

I know the owners manual suggests Kerosene blended only with #2 diesel.

EDIT: It says Gasoline can be substituted for Kerosene when it is not available but the concentration should not exceed 30% gasoline.

NOTE: Lovecraft should be avoided at all costs.

twr · #55 12-12-2006, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

I know the owners manual suggests Kerosene blended only with #2 diesel.

EDIT: It says Gasoline can be substituted for Kerosene when it is not available but the concentration should not exceed 30% gasoline.

NOTE: Lovecraft should be avoided at all costs.

Thanks ForcedInduction, on my owner's manual from the 85 D just mentions Kerosene I will look at the Owner's manual from later years.

#56 12-12-2006, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by twr

Thanks ForcedInduction, on my owner's manual from the 85 D just mentions Kerosene I will look at the Owner's manual from later years.

I believe it is the older manuals that refer to using gasoline mixed with diesel. My 82 and 83 manuals only address using #1 or kerosine in very cold conditions.

greasybenz · #57 12-12-2006, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

NOTE: Lovecraft should be avoided at all costs.

Yes it should. get elsbett instead

justinperkins · #58 12-12-2006, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

I know the owners manual suggests Kerosene blended only with #2 diesel.

EDIT: It says Gasoline can be substituted for Kerosene when it is not available but the concentration should not exceed 30% gasoline.

NOTE: Lovecraft should be avoided at all costs.

So diesel fuel is for diesels, except when it's really cold and MB tells you it's ok to mix in other stuff??

I don't really consider MB to be the high and mighty in terms of knowing what's best for their engines and I think there's a lot of people (on this board) who would strongly argue against using any blends of gasoline/kerosene in a diesel engine, especially at such high mixtures as 30%!

I wonder if their user manuals still say that, or maybe they realized that wasn't such a good idea after all.

See the Use for old RUG thread for more opinions.

twr · #59 12-12-2006, 04:31 PM

Here is what I found on the Owner's Manuals:

RSCarey · #60 12-12-2006, 11:14 PM

We have all kinds of options:

RSCarey