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dmtinker · #31 03-08-2007, 10:21 PM

I don't think we should pay the tax at all. I pay taxes on my vehicle and registration each year for my road use. The tax on fuel is about income for the state. We really really need to start taking back our government.

Austin85 · #32 03-08-2007, 10:23 PM

"......this story certainly reinforces decades worth of conspiracy stories about oil companies quashing competition by lobbying for unfair regulations...."

F'n greedy bastards!!

What is the problem with a thread about alternative to DIesel fuel being in the diesel discussion board? If this was on the OD it would be overlooked by most of the gassers there......

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#33 03-09-2007, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by spark3542

Yet his signature is full of mods, up to and including Methanol injection.

The key to that is the methanol is not going through my $$$ injection pump.

I'm all for mass produced B20-100. Home made fuel is what I oppose.

Jadavis · #34 03-09-2007, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

I'm all for mass produced B20-100. Home made fuel is what I oppose.

After what I have seen of the commercial stuff I will continue to make my own. My quality beats theirs hands down. It only takes one bad apple in the commercial bidiesel world to ruin their reputation. I know my reputation and I am responsible only to myself. I know that I won't go ahead and ship a bad batch to the end user because I AM THE END USER! It's my Mercedes it is going into and I respect my car too much to feed it crap.

I am responsablility for my own actions. Too bad the commercial guys don't take their responsabilities as seriously as I do.

(They are not all bad, but there is enough bad biodiesel being sold out there to scare me off of it.)

-Jim

#35 03-09-2007, 12:46 AM

I agree with you. There are alot of good retailers out there but there are also some just trying to make a buck as cheaply as possible.

Retail BioD needs to have mandatory standards put in place like E85 has.

mikemover · #36 03-09-2007, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dmtinker

I don't think we should pay the tax at all. I pay taxes on my vehicle and registration each year for my road use. The tax on fuel is about income for the state. We really really need to start taking back our government.

My sentiments exactly.

Mike

aklim · #37 03-09-2007, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by nerys

That would be like charging you a fine for adding some "additive" to your fuel you bought from pepboys I mean your buying 16oz less gas for that tank your sticking it to the state for 16oz of tax.

My taxes pay for the road. Accusing me of tax evasion for not paying for gasoline is like accusing someone of tax evasion for using a bicycle or for not paying ENOUGH taxes because they use a motorcycle and get 50mpg or better.

I don't follow your argument. For the additive, I am adding 16oz of stuff to a tank (15-50 gals) diesel or gasoline. How is this an additive when you are maybe adding 16oz of D2 to a tank (15-50 gals) of whatever it is?

Supposedly the gas tax, diesel tax is for the highway fund. Ag fuel is not taxed which is why ag fuel is dyed red and NOT supposed to be in your tank.

aklim · #38 03-09-2007, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by spark3542

3 points to make:
1) How about, at the yearly car inspections that most states have, multiply odometer reading since last inspection times the GVW, and send a corresponding tax bill. Eliminate the fuel taxes. That way everyone pays according to road use and the corresponding burden they put on that road. Find a new way to get your money.

How will you ensure that they will go in and get their odometers read? What if they tell you then "Sorry, your are SOL. I am broke." Easier to collect at the pump. Look at all the people that start crying at the last minute because they owe $XXX to the IRS and cannot pay.

spark3542 · #39 03-09-2007, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Easier to collect at the pump.

Did you miss the whole point? We need to make the pump go away. If the argument is..."we can't make the pump go away because we need the tax revenue" then we'll never get off foreign oil dependency. Find a new way to collect the tax revenue.

(Of course the best solution is to reduce government spending to allow the freedom to eliminate the need for the tax revenue, but that's another conversation)

aklim · #40 03-09-2007, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by spark3542

Find a new way to collect the tax revenue.

Like what? the honor system?

burford · #41 03-09-2007, 11:07 AM

I know what you are talking about. 99 percent of the public have no idea of what you just said.

On another note, if you use WVO as an additive to diesel I didn't know if the percent was regulated by law.

aklim · #42 03-09-2007, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by burford

On another note, if you use WVO as an additive to diesel I didn't know if the percent was regulated by law.

Additive
Function: noun: a substance added to another in relatively small amounts to effect a desired change in properties

GREASY_BEAST · #43 03-09-2007, 12:04 PM

As far as the additive argument goes, I have heard many people tell me it won't work, but nobody has said anything convincing as to why it won't work. You could run Lucas or Powerservice full-strength in your tank (or 99% concentration to be legal) if you were rich/dumb enough... so why not run 99%WVO? The only problem I could see is that you would be running it in a separate, non-DOT-approved tank, in the passenger compartment (if you have a wagon)... but that is a separate issue... I don't think there is any law on the books that defines a maximum allowable percentage of additive... someone please correct me if I am wrong.

The other thing that I was surprised nobody else picked up on was that Illinois told Wetzel that he had to register as both a fuel supplier and a fuel reciever (because he supplied fuel to himself

), yet it was impossible for him to do so because he lacked the facilities (and the 30K gallon storage) to be considered as such. Furthermore, he offered to pay the $240 in taxes yet there was no way in which he could... there was no-one to write the check to... I am no legal expert, nor would I want to be, but this seems a little fishy...

As far as I am aware, there IS in fact a way for WVOers and Biodieselers (yes, contrary to popular, uninformed belief there is a difference). You could do it the same way commercial drivers do by filing your IFTA paperwork every quarter. This is an additional tax, on top of what they pay at the pump, that pays fuel tax to every state they burn it in based on the miles traveled in each state... I personally am not gonna do this because I don't believe that system is right. Also, you would be hard pressed legally to prove that I burn WVO on public roads

Think about that one for a sec

"No sir officer, I just use this alternative fuel additive system off-road

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aklim · #44 03-09-2007, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GREASY_BEAST

You could run Lucas or Powerservice full-strength in your tank (or 99% concentration to be legal) if you were rich/dumb enough... so why not run 99%WVO?

Perhaps so but in which case would it look like you are trying to evade the tax? Lets say there is a mistake on my IRS forms. Accurately calculated, I owe $4000. Lets say I make what I claim to be an honest mistake and I paid $5000. Lets say in another scenario, I claim an honest mistake and pay $3000. Which is more likely to be suspect?

Yes, I know some feel that this tax isn't right, isn't fair, etc, etc. However, we are in a more civilized age and if that is the case, we should take it up thru proper channels. I'm sorry if things don't go your way. They don't go my way all the time either. That and the fact that we had the Boston Tea Party is NOT and excuse to just flaunt the laws. That was then and this is now. If someone could just flaunt a law they felt was unjustified then where will it lead? Yes, you don't win all the time playing by the rules. Sorry, that is how things are. Don't like it? Leave this country and head to Utopia. I hear it is mild and very lovely all year round.

I speed, I should be willing to pay the fine and have my license removed. I killed somebody yesterday and I should expect the cops to come looking for me. It is that simple. If you are unsure if you can be brewing something like this where there is revenue concerned, consult an attorney. When I was having a feud with my neighbor, I consulted an attorney where I learnt that the easement between the road and sidewalk is public access and as long as I pick up poop, my dogs can be there. After which, my dogs were on the same spot killing his grass. What could he do about it? Very little. Could the attorney be wrong? Sure. Did that consult minimize my risk? You bet.

WINGAS · #45 03-09-2007, 12:56 PM

I always reckoned that the "marginal tax rate" is the tipping point where UNCLE finally goes too far, and shots are heard....

Tell you what, FREEDOM is why my dad came here from a commie armpit. There's more freedom back in that commie armpit ( actually too much - lawlessness) than here. More sad than ironic. I still put my 3.5 yrs in uniform in and love this place, but I DO have my marginal tax rate in mind. And a helluva arsenal. DONT TREAD ON ME.