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Old 10-26-2007, 06:50 AM
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Your sarcasm is not wanted by anyone here. Take it to OD with the other useless posts.

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Here's another link that might help:
http://www.frybrid.com/forum/
If you look at the conversion section, someone has done a 240D. The pics and writeup are excellent. I haven't run BioD nor WVO myself. I've meet a few who have run the stuff for a few years. One has run SVO unheated for 2 years. Still, I'd consider it experimental and if you can't afford to have your engine or injector pump replaced, then I wouldn't. I think we have all seen people who do odd stuff and it works for them, but not for others. I plan to try and run some type of WVO or BioD in the future though.
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Old 10-26-2007, 11:00 AM
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I'm from upsate New York, the winters get very cold. I have heard that you need to get an extra fuel tank and heater to run WVO. I have also heard that it is ok to run a WVO in a mix with diesel(25%WVO,75%deisel)in the cold temps(below 50F) and in the warmer temps (+50F) I could run 75% WVO, 25% deisel without the seperate tank and heater? Does anyone know anything on this? Would it be a harm to my car to run the mix of WVO without the extra tank and heater?
Any help appreciated, Dan
Once again from my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
Yes, as long as the weather is warm you can run varying mixtures of WVO/Diesel. Make sure the WVO is filtered very well and free of water. I have seen people run 100% WVO in the summer time and their cars run on it. I would not recommend it. The higher % of WVO, the more risks you take on damaging the IP.
If you run your car in the winter (well below freezing) I would not recommend ANY amount of WVO in your tank.
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Old 10-26-2007, 11:09 AM
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To those interested in the actual lsubject of this thread (no insult intended), and are interested in running a two-tank system (which I also agree with), please check this out:

FS 12' heated fuel line w/wiring

For some good info on this subject, check out infopop.com
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Why do you keep lying? Grow up.

I have used vegetable oil before. I've used 2-tankfuls of SVO way back before I knew better than to do it. Other than the pleasant smell, the reduced economy, poor idle and hard starting made it clear how bad it was. Until a few months ago, I was even using commercial B20 BioDiesel. Unfortunately, it was made with Soy so I stopped using it because of it's food product based source. I occasionally visit a friend in Boulder who is well versed in the WVO/SVO/Biofuel fad. I have personally seen cars in his shop and many cars for sale in the Denver/Boulder that have shown exactly how bad the results can be, especially with single-tankers and and those that had questionable "fuel" sources.

It can very easily ruin an otherwise good car with greasy messes and a once-healthy engine with damaged injection components and plugging with carbon.

Now you know a abridged version of my history. Now you may stop spewing lies about me and grow up.
If it would help you get back to using B20 you should know that vegetable oil used for biodiesel production is either non-food grade or from off-spec oilseed. Farmers used to have to throw away their off-spec seed (wrong color, harvested under adverse conditions or at wrong time, bad season, wrong PH, ect). Now they have a secondary income from what used to be a junk crop. Many farms are now pressing their own off-spec oilseed themselves and selling / using the oil and selling the high protein feed cake.
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Other than the pleasant smell, the reduced economy, poor idle and hard starting made it clear how bad it was. Until a few months ago, I was even using commercial B20 BioDiesel. Unfortunately, it was made with Soy so I stopped using it because of it's food product based source. I occasionally visit a friend in Boulder who is well versed in the WVO/SVO/Biofuel fad. I have personally seen cars in his shop and many cars for sale in the Denver/Boulder that have shown exactly how bad the results can be, especially with single-tankers and and those that had questionable "fuel" sources.

It can very easily ruin an otherwise good car with greasy messes and a once-healthy engine with damaged injection components and plugging with carbon.

im not getting in a shootin match w/you 2 but i will say this. wvo and svo in my opinion, properly filtered and heated is better than dino. its better for the ip [better lubricator] and better for OUR environment [its carbon neutral]. the cost being almost FREE isnt bad as well. Dino is a great starting fluid!!!

blending wvo and dino is what i have been doing for the last year or so in 2 of my cars. the blend is 70 wvo [mostly soy]to 30 dino MY 240D RUNS QUIETER, NO CYLINDER "NAILING", AND THE IDLE IS TWICE AS SMOOTH; NO MORE ROUGH IDLE.
my 98 jetta tdi only smells better. i dont notice any difference in the fuels except w/ i check my pocket for CASH. LOL
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im not getting in a shootin match w/you 2 but i will say this. wvo and svo in my opinion, properly filtered and heated is better than dino. its better for the ip [better lubricator] and better for OUR environment [its carbon neutral]. the cost being almost FREE isnt bad as well. Dino is a great starting fluid!!!

blending wvo and dino is what i have been doing for the last year or so in 2 of my cars. the blend is 70 wvo [mostly soy]to 30 dino MY 240D RUNS QUIETER, NO CYLINDER "NAILING", AND THE IDLE IS TWICE AS SMOOTH; NO MORE ROUGH IDLE.
my 98 jetta tdi only smells better. i dont notice any difference in the fuels except w/ i check my pocket for CASH. LOL
And everyone has one. But cold vegetable oil is NOT GOOD FOR THE ENGINE. You get incomplete burning, injector and combustion chamber deposits, and sump oil dilution. Keep doing it and your rings will start sticking and the issues snowball. Mercedes are tougher than most just because of the prechamber design, but I've run WVO cold (in the summer), and Forced Induction is right -- the engine has difficulty starting and idling. The car is not designed for poorly combusting, sticky fuel.
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And everyone has one. But cold vegetable oil is NOT GOOD FOR THE ENGINE. You get incomplete burning, injector and combustion chamber deposits, and sump oil dilution. Keep doing it and your rings will start sticking and the issues snowball. Mercedes are tougher than most just because of the prechamber design, but I've run WVO cold (in the summer), and Forced Induction is right -- the engine has difficulty starting and idling. The car is not designed for poorly combusting, sticky fuel.
Then start running a mix like we are talking about.
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240d WVO?

So, I see that it is probably not a good idea to run any kind of mix in cold temps (below 50F) if I want the car to last and dont have money for repairs. But if the temps are warm (+50F) it is OK to run a mix of WVO and diesel. Is this assumption correct?
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Old 10-26-2007, 08:59 PM
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So, I see that it is probably not a good idea to run any kind of mix in cold temps (below 50F) if I want the car to last and dont have money for repairs. But if the temps are warm (+50F) it is OK to run a mix of WVO and diesel. Is this assumption correct?
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I would say the best answer is to go talk to people who are doing it.

Go check out the Solvent Thinning section at
http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/forums

There are a lot of people there with lots of experience.
I am RichC there also.

For some reason a few people make it almost impossible to discuss any
kind of alternative fuel on this forum.

I really would like to help you to get the information you want.
So you can make the decisions you want to based on real information.
But it is nearly impossible here.


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Old 10-26-2007, 09:07 PM
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240d WVO?

Thanks for your help RichC. I think I will try different mixtures at different temps in small containers to see which gells and which do not this weekend, I will make my decision from there. If you find any more info it is greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Dan
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Glad to help

Hey if you would take some pics of your containers and tell us the mix and gel points.

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Here is more info for you

Link to the links page at journey to forever bio fuels section
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html

Link to the links page at goat industries UK
http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/links.html



And last but defiantly not least !!!!

http://www.fillup4free.com/

More than 100 people in the US willing to let you stop by and pick up
processed veggie oil for your vehicle while your out traveling.
Its like a chain of gas stations that give you the fuel for free.
I am a member there also.

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Thanks for your help RichC. I think I will try different mixtures at different temps in small containers to see which gells and which do not this weekend, I will make my decision from there. If you find any more info it is greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Dan
good idea. the best way i've found is when in winter ie:below 35deg namely december here. i mix up a batch of 70/30 blend in a 55gal then take out a quart in a water bottle and put it in my freezer [@10deg]. if its not gellin that batch is ok. i do it with each batch. not all oil batches are the same twice. also when temps are below 35deg i put a gallon or two of RUG in an almost full tank to help with starting.
go to the forums rich c and i referenced its great reading, and above all use only NON HYDROGENATED OIL filtered to 1 micron and you will be fine.
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Old 10-27-2007, 02:26 AM
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Yes, be careful of the hydrognated oils.

I am haveing one heck of a time trying to process them well enough to use.
No luck so far.
Just big globs of goopy mess in the lab, I mean garage.

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