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Old 11-01-2007, 07:03 PM
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Yes ATF can be burned, but it's got additives that are not meant to be burned such as detergents which I would imagine leave some residue behind when burned. Don't be too cheap.

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Oh before I forget, Walmart sells ashless 2-cycle oil under the SuperTech brand (look for the TCW3 rating). I think it's about $8 for a gallon and I'd say 1 oz to 1 gallon of diesel should be more than enough for maximum lubricity. That's hardly expensive.
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Old 11-01-2007, 08:58 PM
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Yes, that is what someone should do. If the person adding the additive doesn't know what they're adding, it would be a "double blind" experiment, the most reliable kind. Problem is that it would have to be done many times to eliminate natural variations caused by traffic, personal things, etc. One test is not sufficiently precise.
Of course, perhaps have some sort of random selection map and that other person would follow the instructions to add or not add the additive for say a period of 6 months or so you would be the consistent driver. You would be blind to the mileage and what's really in the tankfulls until the experiment was over.
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It's also worth mentioning that the Red Line additive when used at 12 oz per 100 gallons is about the same price as the 2-cycle oil and it has some other benefits that the 2-cycle oil doesn't have, like increased cetane and injector cleaning. I'll probably stick with that product. IMO PowerService is pretty worthless as I once got a clogged injector while using it. So much for its injector cleaning ability.
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IMO PowerService is pretty worthless as I once got a clogged injector while using it. So much for its injector cleaning ability.
I've never heard of anything other than taking apart an injector and cleaning it to clear it, I've never heard of any additive being able to do that.
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The few injectors I have removed, were clean as a whistle.
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I've never heard of anything other than taking apart an injector and cleaning it to clear it, I've never heard of any additive being able to do that.
Isn't that what Diesel Purge is supposed to do? I've used it in my '87 (didn't seem to do anything). I agree that going to the time and trouble of removing, disassembling, and cleaning injectors is probably the only way to be sure they're clean. As usual, the magic stuff that makes it easy only makes easy money for the sellers of the "miracle" product.

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I've never heard of anything other than taking apart an injector and cleaning it to clear it, I've never heard of any additive being able to do that.
This was on my '96 E300D. These injectors have no pintle holes and are generally more immune to clogging than the older-style injectors with pintle holes. Yet one day the pintle of one of my injectors became stuck due to carbon. I removed the injector, disassembled it, gave the parts a clean bath, put it all together, tested the injector and it's been good ever since (knock on wood). I would expect a good injector cleaner to at least prevent a situation like this. By the way, a very similar thing happened to me once with the '82 300D while using B5 with no additives. Here it was the pintle hole that was clogged and a regular bath wasn't enough and I didn't have the necessary needle to clean it. I ended up replacing the nozzle.
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Back to the original topic, I'm actually surprised that a diesel additive had any effect when mixed with B100. Typically diesel additives do nothing when mixed with B100. This might be an exception.
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I would hesitate to put any type of ATF in my fuel or in my power steering as they contain additives called friction modifiers to make them work with the bands and clutches of the automatic transmissions.The reason there are different types like F and A and Dexron and Dexron3 is that the friction materials in transmissions from different manufacturers are not all the same.What these friction modifiers are, i have no idea but i am sure i dont want them in my injection pump or injectors at around 2000psi.Also since i dont have any idea what residue they may leave when burned i dont want them in my cylinders either. My $.02 Don
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I added a quart of vegetable oil to my last fill up (19 gallons) and for the first section of the fuel meter I usually get 90 miles from full to the brim to the next has mark.. this time I made 103 miles.. without changing my driving techniques

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