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TylerH860 · #16 12-02-2007, 01:52 AM

When the Germans build it, I'll buy it.

#17 12-02-2007, 05:08 AM

Hydrogen has no infrastructure, cheap production method or future.

dukegrad98 · #18 12-02-2007, 05:11 AM

Hydrogen -- a fuel even less practical than current production methods for ethanol. Here I find myself in comfy agreement with ForcedInduction.

Cheers, John

TwitchKitty · #19 12-02-2007, 10:03 AM

I disagree, with reservations. Nature provides a few tricks for hydrogen production that are not widely discussed. I suspect some patents are in the works and will be discussed later.

Cervan · #20 12-02-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Austin85

Q. Is the FCX Clarity fun to drive?
A. If you like smooth, strong acceleration, great handling and a quiet ride

No thanks.....1- It is a Honda

& 2.....No rattle.!!

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dont be so quick to rule out a honda, i have a 1990 honda crx (its like a small civic hatchback) and allthough it may not be a tank it does get 55 mpg (at peak of course and since the usa MPG standards are now more strict its depreciated abit) http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/6411.shtml 39mpg total that is a gasoline engine not bad and you could practically breath the exhaust lol.

Hatterasguy · #21 12-02-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TwitchKitty

I disagree, with reservations. Nature provides a few tricks for hydrogen production that are not widely discussed. I suspect some patents are in the works and will be discussed later.

X2 give it time, give it time. Its still new.

Gas needs to hit $5 a gallon before all this stuff gets a lot of interest.

The nice thing about such cars IMHO is that in theory they should last damn near forver. Drive them with big DC motors, and their isn't much to wear out.

tankdriver · #22 12-02-2007, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JWJ

Using petroleum to make hydrogen for your car seems to cancel the "clean benefit" of these.

Our NG supplies are limited too.

NG pollutes a lot less than coal, or gasoline cars.

C Sean Watts · #23 12-02-2007, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

Interesting. I do like the concept. I wonder wether or not the US will be able to make the switch to a hydrogen economy without government intervention.

- Peter.

Already happened in FL and CA.

ljsense · #24 12-02-2007, 01:42 PM

Two thoughts on hydrogen.

1. You can get it by running electric current through water, but that takes a lot of energy (from coal, nuclear, etc.) and is not the way hydrogen is obtained currently.

2. The way hydrogen is collected now is as a byproduct of petroleum and natural gas. You can break off a lot of hydrogen relatively cheaply from a petroleum hydrocarbon chain.

So, while hydrogen may be clean burning and an alternative fuel of sorts, as it stands, it still basically depends on petroleum. That may be why the technology has support from oil companies.

And to keep this thread legit, I noticed my diesel sometimes clatters and is harder to start when it's really cold. What gives? Any thoughts? On a related note, is the OM617 a good engine, and if it's really that good, why is it having trouble burning a combination of old 2-stroke gas, maple syrup, KY-Jelly and duck blood? Should I be adding some wasabi to the tank?

#25 12-02-2007, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ljsense

2. The way hydrogen is collected now is as a byproduct of petroleum and natural gas. You can break off a lot of hydrogen relatively cheaply from a petroleum hydrocarbon chain.

So, while hydrogen may be clean burning and an alternative fuel of sorts, as it stands, it still basically depends on petroleum. That may be why the technology has support from oil companies.

That has two major problems.

1: It will increase our need for oil. Breaking down something always has leftovers which means unused/wasted energy and more oil consumed to supply the same power demand.

2: Those leftovers. It will still be hazardous waste and will need to be disposed of or consumed elsewhere. The process will also release emissions on its own. Ever driven by a refinery? They tend to have a unique smell that I'm sure isn't exactly "green".

aklim · #26 12-02-2007, 03:10 PM

OK. So who wants to run with a tank of hydrogen in their car? Hindenburg, anyone?

Matt L · #27 12-02-2007, 04:24 PM

Most people already have a tank of gasoline, ready to spill on the ground and ignite. If hydrogen leaks, it will go straight up very fast. The gas without the weight of an airship will rise quickly.

TheDon · #28 12-02-2007, 04:56 PM

Ha.. Hydrogen is a joke.. there is no national network of fuel stations.. they would need to build 20k dedicated hydrogen stations just to make it worth while. If you thought finding diesel was a pita sometimes.. try hydrogen. Then you get the costs.. It costs far more per "gallon" when compared to gasoline or diesel fuel due to current limitations on production and the way it is produced. Plus there is no known material to man that can hold hydrogen within it... go ahead.. fill your tank up and let it sit for a week.. I bet you most of it will be gone.

Hydrogen : Bush's Folley

Matt L · #29 12-02-2007, 05:11 PM

Do you know how people bought gasoline in the early motor car days? Don't assume that it can't be done.

benzforlife · #30 12-02-2007, 05:20 PM

i think today, that hydrogen is impractical.
But its def. a real possibility down the road.
Why couldnt they put hydrogen plants by flowing water? They could use the water to generate elctricity to power the stuff they need to convert hydrogen. And they could use the water from the source, and use the powere there getting from the flowing water to filter the water being converted....