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#61 12-07-2007, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by blackestate

I have to reply,
Look at this link

http://www.dol.wa.gov/vehicleregistration/ftfacts.html

In WA tax evasion is ony applicable if selling bio-diesel, and it does not mention any other alternative fuel

No to be nit picky, but it says, "Fuel tax evasion includes." It does not say tax evasion is limited to those examples. I certainly wouldn't want to go to court based on that argument.

The point is still the same, how do you justify a tax exemption for only specific types of fuels? WVO would be exempt, but commercial BD and E85 would not. Why is that good policy?

thesst · #62 12-07-2007, 05:47 PM

I agree with you, Craig, about a flat tax. That would be a very good system.

C Sean Watts · #63 12-07-2007, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

Incorrect. Reread.

"fly under the radar" and "comply with the law" are two incompatible ideas.

Not that you didn't get my point but, well, you totally missed it.

1. Law requires us to pay taxes on fuel. AS OF NOW vegetable oil is not classified as fuel. I would never argue being in the gray area makes the accused correct by default NOR incorrect simply because of accusation. As long as the veg burners would be quiet about it there would be no questions to answer because if said law doesn't apply de facto it can't be violated prima facie. IE: Don't build the whorehouse before you move to Nevada.

2. Petitioning our beloved elected 'officials' to WRITE A NEW LAW ...you tell me, when was the last time MORE regulation applying to the individual helped "we the people?"

C Sean Watts · #64 12-07-2007, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Here is one simple way of figuring out your mileage. You sign a paper that says you HAVE to maintain a working odometer and you go to the DMV to report it. You have a sticker in your window. Should a cop pull you over and see it, he checks your odometer. If it is not working, you leave the car there and have it towed to repair the odometer and get a ticket.

In NC that applies to farm, construction of vehicles that have a legitimate off road purpose (except for the sticker and towing.) You have to do some tax year end paperwork with explicit mileage and locations listed in a logbook.

C Sean Watts · #65 12-07-2007, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by blackestate

I have to reply,
Look at this link

http://www.dol.wa.gov/vehicleregistration/ftfacts.html

In WA tax evasion is ony applicable if selling bio-diesel, and it does not mention any other alternative fuel

I think the state is going after people who make and sell without a license.

There was no reference for making for personal use. So long as the politicos don't change anything all should be well.

gmaltz · #66 12-07-2007, 06:45 PM

"Fuel Tax Investigations Unit
Department of Licensing
PO Box 9228
Olympia, WA 98507-9228
You may remain anonymous. If you leave your name and phone number, a task force member will call you back. All information given will be investigated and remain confidential."

Snitching freaking bastards! I knew you idots would ruin it for all of us!

Just grow up for gods sake.

George Orwell ''1984"

bustedbenz · #67 12-07-2007, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gmaltz

George Orwell ''1984"

I kind of agree. It's not illegal unless you get caught... but that isn't the point. I think a larger and more important point is that, except in the minds of nitpickers, if it's not an issue, then there's no reason to make it an issue.

#68 12-07-2007, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bustedbenz

I kind of agree. It's not illegal unless you get caught... but that isn't the point. I think a larger and more important point is that, except in the minds of nitpickers, if it's not an issue, then there's no reason to make it an issue.

At some point the whole issue of untaxed fuel will have to be addressed by both the feds and the states. My guess is that it will happen when plug-in electric vehicles become widely available. As long as it's just a handful of crazies, no-one really cares; but if I can go buy a new "volt" and drive it on the public roads with out paying any tax, someone will start paying attention.

bustedbenz · #69 12-07-2007, 07:34 PM

Maybe one way to do it is just through insurance. You have to have insurance on all autos to drive them on the road, that's a given. So, why not take road tax OUT of fuel entirely, and add a per-car rate into insurance... it'd hurt since insurance is high already but... the price at the pump would go down. Just eliminate road-tax-based-on-fuel and start basing it on # of cars and/or mileage of those cars at annual inspection time.

gmaltz · #70 12-07-2007, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bustedbenz

I kind of agree. It's not illegal unless you get caught... but that isn't the point. I think a larger and more important point is that, except in the minds of nitpickers, if it's not an issue, then there's no reason to make it an issue.

In the Grand Scheme of things going on in this world - War, Terrorism, Poverty, Over Population, Mortgage Meltdowns, Credit Crisis, Foreclosures, Recession - Trillion Dollar Megga Oil Proffits - if you think I should pay a few cents per gallon lousy stinking Road Tax on 5 gallons a week of **** I take out of the dumpster from a Chinese restaurant to burn in my car, that was headed for the local landfill to be buried anyway and destined to pollute my ground water that I drink and bathe from, your Nuts.

This discussion guys make me laugh out loud - especially Forced Inductions thinking process. Ha Ha. Road tax on grease, gimme a freakin break!

#71 12-07-2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gmaltz

Road tax on grease, gimme a freakin break!

Do you believe that the following vehicles:

#1 A 280E burning gasoline
#2 A 300D burning ULSD
#3 A 300D burning B20 purchased from the local Citgo
#4 A 300D burning home-made biodiesel
#5 A 300D burning WVO

somehow cause different amounts of wear and tear on the pavement, bridges, and other infrastructure on which they travel?

If you believe that #4 or #5 causes less wear and tear on the ROAD than #1, #2, or #3, then your argument that you should not pay the highway tax is valid. If not, then I like the idea of a $500 annual fee of some sort to run untaxed fuel.

I am as anti-tax as anyone, but my ideological view does not give me license to knowingly evade taxes.

aklim · #72 12-07-2007, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bustedbenz

Maybe one way to do it is just through insurance. You have to have insurance on all autos to drive them on the road, that's a given. So, why not take road tax OUT of fuel entirely, and add a per-car rate into insurance... it'd hurt since insurance is high already but... the price at the pump would go down. Just eliminate road-tax-based-on-fuel and start basing it on # of cars and/or mileage of those cars at annual inspection time.

Many people drive without insurance. How would you have them pay for it there?

gmaltz · #73 12-07-2007, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mrhills0146

Do you believe that the following vehicles:

#1 A 280E burning gasoline
#2 A 300D burning ULSD
#3 A 300D burning B20 purchased from the local Citgo
#4 A 300D burning home-made biodiesel
#5 A 300D burning WVO

somehow cause different amounts of wear and tear on the pavement, bridges, and other infrastructure on which they travel?

If you believe that #4 or #5 causes less wear and tear on the ROAD than #1, #2, or #3, then your argument that you should not pay the highway tax is valid. If not, then I like the idea of a $500 annual fee of some sort to run untaxed fuel.

I am as anti-tax as anyone, but my ideological view does not give me license to knowingly evade taxes.

Matt, I am already paying road tax on the diesel in my start-up and shutdown tank.

My vehicle is a home made, less polluting, Green - Multi Fuel vehicle that, in all due respect, should get a Tax Break Incentive. Like one gets for Solar Roof panels, since I am lowering my Carbon Footprint on the planet as well as reducing the local land fill waste stream!

bustedbenz · #74 12-07-2007, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Many people drive without insurance. How would you have them pay for it there?

AFAIK they're driving illegally.

What states let you drive without liability coverage?

Expecting somebody without insurance to pay new taxes is like expecting a terrorist to worry about his car bomb being double-parked.

aklim · #75 12-07-2007, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bustedbenz

AFAIK they're driving illegally.

What states let you drive without liability coverage?

Expecting somebody without insurance to pay new taxes is like expecting a terrorist to worry about his car bomb being double-parked.

The guy that hit me was ticketed for DUI and they didn't even bother to ask for our insurances. I know that in IA, when I failed to produce a valid proof of insurance, I got a ticket and had to fax them a copy of my insurance to get it taken off. In WI, insurance is suggested but I have yet to have a cop ask me for insurance since I moved here in 91