My 190d 2.2 is a blank slate. What should i use for a 1 tank WVO conversion in MN? - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

thesst · #16 02-05-2008, 05:28 PM

with biodiesel you can always use an anti-gel, or even straight kerosene if gelling is your concern.

pawoSD · #17 02-05-2008, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chuni959

well thats too bad. Maybe ill start small here and buy some cooking oil and make up a 1 gal test batch of B50 and leave it outside and see what happens

Mixing cooking oil with diesel half and half does not make "B50 Biodiesel" it makes 50/50SVO....also bad for the car and will likely clog up your filters.

SGT John · #18 02-05-2008, 07:04 PM

It's too cold there for a 1 tank, as I am sure everyone who didn't already razz you for not being happy with diesel has already posted.

TheDon · #19 02-05-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by chuni959

yeah im pretty much talked out of the one tank approach... Biodiesel gels up way earlier than diesel doesnt it?

It depends on your base stock as well as winter blending..

During the winter I would cut it with Kerosene

pawoSD · #20 02-05-2008, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDon

It depends on your base stock as well as winter blending..

During the winter I would cut it with Kerosene

You're in Florida, winter up here is a LOT different than "winter" down there....

Kerosene will not help. It gets waaay too cold.

chuni959 · #21 02-05-2008, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

Mixing cooking oil with diesel half and half does not make "B50 Biodiesel" it makes 50/50SVO....also bad for the car and will likely clog up your filters.

Hrmm not sure where your reading that. People were persuading me to go biodiesel, so i said i would make (read: titrate, cut with lye etc...) a batch of B50 and set it outside to see what happens in my climate. Now I'm beginning to wonder how much of this is actual advice or just ball busting by the diesel OGs...

pawoSD · #22 02-05-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chuni959

Hrmm not sure where your reading that. People were persuading me to go biodiesel, so i said i would make (read: titrate, cut with lye etc...) a batch of B50 and set it outside to see what happens in my climate. Now I'm beginning to wonder how much of this is actual advice or just ball busting by the diesel OGs...

I didn't realize you were going to actually brew up real biodiesel....

Anways, a fuel station here in MI told me that they do not even recommend using anything above commercial B20 biodiesel during the winter months because of the gelling risk....and I'd assume they know what they are talking about as they're one of the largest suppliers in the area.

chuni959 · #23 02-05-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredmburgess

RW, I'm using 5/8" heater hose for the coolant lines to the WVO tank. Nothing fancy. WVO fuel line is just 3/8" OD poly tube inside one of the heater hoses - same deal as original greasel setup and that shown in "from the fryer to the fuel tank". The '84 300D has had this setup, with a 12 gallon tank in the trunk, for about 2 years. I did not install and still a WVO fuel pump/boost pump. The stock lift pump has been sufficient, even though I'm pulling WVO through a benz pre-filter and a (heated) fuel filter ('85 Golf diesel filter with copper tubing wrapped around so hot coolant heats the filter). I did not change the stock lift pump/filter arrangement, so WVO goes through pre filter/VW filter, and then through lift pump and stock filter. No problems to date. I've run on WVO at outside temps to -15F in upstate NY...just have to let everything heat up first and suck that first bit of cold WVO (in fuel line from heated filter through selector valve to lift pump

WVO pumps and fuel lines?
Ill have to get in touch with this member.

And just so were clear, if i converted to SVO i wouldn't use it for DDing, it would be a trip-only sort of thing. I do a 500 mile round trip 2-3 times a month, so i can see it being beneficial.

TheDon · #24 02-05-2008, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

You're in Florida, winter up here is a LOT different than "winter" down there....

Kerosene will not help. It gets waaay too cold.

You mistook my reply..

Generally you can cut it with kero.. worse comes to worse if your climate is too cold you have to run the proper D2 winterized fuel..

OMG.. run D2 in a diesel engine.. why yes.. It was DESIGNED FOR IT!

pawoSD · #25 02-05-2008, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDon

Generally you can cut it with kero.. worse comes to worse if your climate is too cold you have to run the proper D2 winterized fuel..

OMG.. run D2 in a diesel engine.. why yes.. It was DESIGNED FOR IT!

I know what you mean, and fully agree.

jkoebel · #26 02-05-2008, 07:30 PM

I bought a Mercedes 240D with the intention of doing WVO, but I've decided against doing anything of the sort due to the problems with engine damage, etc.

I'd recommend against not doing it at all....but, for such a cold place, at least a 2-tank, with a ton of pre-heaters.

Mistel · #27 02-05-2008, 07:30 PM

I have a two tank system in Ontario in a truck and it works fine all year long. I started the winter with a piece of chloroplast in front of the radiator to speed warm-up. I found I didn't need it, oil was getting too hot. I plow snow with the truck. Warm-up time is not an issue, for me at least.

This is not the best place to ask for WVO advice as some people are just flat out opposed to it. (not sure why, guess they don't realize where their dollars go).

Ask here

http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/frm/f/159605551

or here

http://www.frybrid.com/test.htm

Here is a guy in MN who is in the business. If I lived closer I would have gotten his help.

http://vegoilconversions.netfirms.com/

I love having to fill my truck up every 3 months. I really get a kick out of forgetting which side my gas tank is on when I have to fill-up.

Go for it

chuni959 · #28 02-05-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mistel

I have a two tank system in Ontario in a truck and it works fine all year long. I started the winter with a piece of chloroplast in front of the radiator to speed warm-up. I found I didn't need it, oil was getting too hot. I plow snow with the truck. Warm-up time is not an issue, for me at least.

This is not the best place to ask for WVO advice as some people are just flat out opposed to it. (not sure why, guess they don't realize where their dollars go).

Ask here

http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/frm/f/159605551

or here

http://www.frybrid.com/test.htm

Here is a guy in MN who is in the business. If I lived closer I would have gotten his help.

http://vegoilconversions.netfirms.com/

I love having to fill my truck up every 3 months. I really get a kick out of forgetting which side my gas tank is on when I have to fill-up.

Go for it

hahah **** man, 3 months?? How bigs your tank?

Mistel · #29 02-05-2008, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by chuni959

hahah **** man, 3 months?? How bigs your tank?

What I mean is I have to go to the gas station for diesel every three months and put twenty bucks of diesel in. I use my diesel tank for diesel (start-up), then switch to WVO. My WVO tank in in the truck bed and I fill it up from my garage whenever it needs it. So after three months, I forget which side the diesel tank is on.

http://vpizza.org/~jmeehan/photo/index.cgi?album=/00-vehicles/dodge-ram&mode=viewpicture&picture=IMG_0352.JPG

chuni959 · #30 02-05-2008, 08:58 PM

hahah thats great, i just always remember that mercedes tanks are on the right side and domestic cars are on the wrong side