My 190d 2.2 is a blank slate. What should i use for a 1 tank WVO conversion in MN? - Page 3 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

chuni959 · #31 02-05-2008, 09:00 PM

hahah benz seats in the truck! Love it

daw_two · #32 02-05-2008, 09:05 PM

and burn homebrew biodiesel. No modifications to the car are necessary; no purging upon shutdown; just then with winterized diesel and kerosene in the winter; max of 10% kerosene.

And the most you have to filter your oil is with a window screen. It's the best way to preserve the longevity of your engine.

#33 02-06-2008, 04:02 AM

A 1 tank "conversion" in any climate at any time of the year is a horrible idea, it is harmful to your engine and it is just plain lazy!

You have two options:
1- Use a two-tank system.
2- Convert the illegal fuel into BioDiesel.

Why ruin a good car with grease? Its a filthy fad, its illegal, its harmful to your engine, it takes taxes away from maintaining the roads, it increases NOx emissions, it does nothing to alter global warming, it has no impact on our oil use and it destroys the value of an otherwise good car.

Mistel · #34 02-06-2008, 08:45 AM

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Why ruin a good car with grease? Its a filthy fad, its illegal, its harmful to your engine, it takes taxes away from maintaining the roads, it increases NOx emissions, it does nothing to alter global warming, it has no impact on our oil use and it destroys the value of an otherwise good car.

You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. On one hand you say it takes away taxes from maintaining roads, but on the other hand you say that it has no impact on our oil use? If it is true that it takes away from taxes (which it probably does) then it has to have an impact on our oil use. Both cannot be true.

#35 02-06-2008, 08:58 AM

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If it is true that it takes away from taxes (which it probably does) then it has to have an impact on our oil use. Both cannot be true.

Oh, but it is!
The United States consumes 19.6 million barrels of oil per day. If we used every single drop of waste oil to brew Biodiesel it would barely even offset fraction of 1% of that amount.

Diesel has roughly 27.5cents per gallon in taxes. Thats $5.50 per 20 gallon tank. Let's go on the low end of the scale and say you fill up once every two weeks. Thats $143 in taxes the city will not see. Thats a pothole in your neighborhood that does not get fixed, two blocks that do not get their snow plowed, a storm drain that does not get cleaned out or a guard rail that takes longer to get fixed.

Multiply that by the dozen or so people on this forum alone that don't pay and it adds up quickly.

chuni959 · #36 02-06-2008, 10:46 AM

yeah the whole reason i want to convert is to be an ******* and drive for free/cheap. My friend cracked his oil pan of his e30 m3 on a manhole sticking 5 inches above the ground and destroyed his car. He made a claim with the city and he got nothing out of it. The way i look at it, the city owes him money. So i have no problem taking what isn't mine from the city.

And biodiesel is just as illegal as wvo...

chuni959 · #37 02-06-2008, 10:47 AM

and a ren and stimpy fan too! haha i had a ren and stimpy themed birthday party when i was 10

#38 02-06-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by chuni959

And biodiesel is just as illegal as wvo...

Only if the required taxes are not paid.

thesst · #39 02-06-2008, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

Only if the required taxes are not paid.

and if you do not file with the EPA.

chuni959 · #40 02-06-2008, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

Only if the required taxes are not paid.

well same with WVO, you can still offer to pay taxes

Jordan G · #41 02-06-2008, 11:03 AM

pay the taxes to your dept. of revenue.....WVO is an illegal fuel in the EPA's eyes - Lance has the document to prove it.

Listen Stimpy....what EZZ it with you man? This whole convesation is silly because it's too damn cold where you live anyway.

thesst · #42 02-06-2008, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by chuni959

well same with WVO, you can still offer to pay taxes

You're right there. And there are several government agencies that will tell you that WVO/SVO is perfectly legal IF you pay the road taxes.

It comes down to do what you want:
1) Road taxes don't actually go to roads. That was their original intention, but somewhere along the way the government decided to divert those funds to what THEY thought was the most important FIRST, and then secondarily to roads.
2) Some agencies will tell you it's illegal. Others will tell you it's legal. I say, believe the convenient one that tells you what you want to hear.
3) Even if the gov't finally united against SVO/WVO, people would still use it. If confronted by another civilian on the matter the simple answer would be "civil disobedience."

Any way you cut it, SVO/WVO use will be around until the biodiesel companies have bought up every last drop of waste vegetable oil.

#43 02-06-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by thesst

You're right there. And there are several government agencies that will tell you that WVO/SVO is perfectly legal IF you pay the road taxes.

It's illegal in every state.

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From: Russo.Rebecca@epamail.epa.gov
Subject: Re: not sure if WVO/SVO is approved to be used as an on-road fuel
Date: December 31, 2007 10:22:01 AM MST
To: R8Eisc@epamail.epa.gov

Hello Lance,
Thank you for your e-mail concerning using waste vegetable oil or
straight vegetable oil as a fuel to power your diesel vehicle.
Waste vegetable oil or straight vegetable oil cannot legally be used in
vehicles. Raw vegetable oil or recycled greases (also called waste
cooking oil) that have not been processed into esters are not biodiesel,
and are not registered by EPA for legal use in vehicles. In addition,
vehicles converted to use these oils would likely need to be certified
by the EPA; to date EPA has not certified any conversions. These
conversions may also violate the terms of the vehicle warranty. For more
information on the certification process, please visit EPA's Web site
at: www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/dearmfr/cisd0602.pdf

Biodiesel (for example B20) is a great fueling option. You can find
information on biodiesel at our website:
http://www.epa.gov/smartway/growandgo/documents/factsheet-biodiesel.htm

Also, please find below a link to biodiesel.org and a fact sheet on the
difference between biodiesel and vegetable oil. Using straight
vegetable oil in your vehicle can harm your vehicle and negate your
vehicle warranty.
http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/faqs/

If you have any further questions, please feel free to give me a call at
303-312-6757.

Rebecca Russo
EPA Region 8
Air Quality Planning & Management Unit
Ph: (303) 312-6757

Jordan G · #44 02-06-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by thesst

It comes down to do what you want:
1) Road taxes don't actually go to roads. That was their original intention, but somewhere along the way the government decided to divert those funds to what THEY thought was the most important FIRST, and then secondarily to roads.
.

I don't usually get into this argument - but where are getting this statement from? I'm not baiting you - just asking.

Here in Pa - diesel is taxed at 0.38 per gallon. It's called the liquid fuels tax. Counties and municipalities get this money, based on how many miles of road they maintain. I'm currently designing 4 bridges that are being funded almost entirely from liquid fuels funding. Every spring - townships bid on road materials and bulk supplies for repairing/overlaying roads - all with liquid fuels funding.

If you are going to USE any liquid fuels money - it will be reviewed and approved by the state and EVERYTHING must meet their standards or they pull the funding.

Granted, I'm sure not all 38 cents/per gallon makes it way into these projects.....but a large portion of it is. So at least here in my little universe, your statement is not valid.

Brian Carlton · #45 02-06-2008, 11:38 AM

Well, you all managed to ruin a perfectly good WVO thread.........yet again........with your ongoing petty arguments.