and more used vegitable oil too.

Reminds me of the trip I took from VT to Maryland and back with my Suburban about 2 years ago. I had nice stainless tanks that I found at the scrap yeard that fit perfect inside. To Maryland and back and never even stopped for any fuel.
These days with fuel heading where it is its worth the effort.
Gearing up for my next conversion.

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Currently driving a very clean 1985 300SD from the West Coast.

I support the idea of biodiesel but not enough too run it through the engine I spent allot of $ and energy rebuilding, maybe later

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1985 Euro 240D 5 spd 140K
1979 240D 5 spd, 40K on engine rebuild
1994 Dodge/Cummins, 5 spd, 121K
1964 Allice Chalmers D15 tractor
2014 Kubota L3800 tractor
1964 VW bug

"Lifes too short to drive a boring car"

My diesel Mercedes is a hobby that I drive regularly. I enjoy digging around in the boneyard, pulling things apart on the car and upgrading/restoring the car, but I don't enjoy repairing cars. The time and money (and value of that time) into restoring this car (or most cars) is hard to justify. Cars I buy new are not as much fun, I have to leave them alone.

WVO to me seems like a hobby also, unless your time if free (or cheap), it is difficult to justify for most of us. Time into procuring and installing the equipment in the car, for procuring and sorting out the distillation and storage equpment, and of course the oil itself.

I know that many people say that WVO is free, but it really isn't. Even if you get all of the equipment and the oil for free, it costs time. Unless I find myself not worth more than $20-$30 an hour, difficult to say that WVO would be cost effective.

That and I like my car to be dependable, again fixing up cars is fun, fixing them is IMO not. So, regular diesel for my cars, no bio and no WVO conversion.

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Gone to the dark side

- Jeff

Exactly, BD does sound like a good idea (for other people). As long as cheap petro-diesel is readily available, I'll pass on the "alternatives."

Dont fret boys, if we keep going this way, all D2 sold here will be cut with B. As well it should be.

jsut took apart a 235K engine running bio for the last 13K. mine. You should have seen the piston tops. Can still see the machining marks.

Now the o rings in the delivery valves didnt like it all that much! ( only started to leak after I rebuilt the fuel pump).

Long story short, at some point y'all will be using bio, like it or not.

Have any of you read the university studies done on the efects of bio on the engines? The one I'm thinking of tested two, one new and one 100K mile Cummins in Dodge trucks.

Y'all might do yourselves a favor, and become informed before you posit an uninformed opinion.

Are we discussing BIO or WVO?
Having been stung more than once by 'Murphy's Law' over the years, it's the tales of injection pumps and piston rings gunked up by contaminated or poorly-processed homebrew WVO that give me pause.

I would be willing to try Biodiesel if I didn;t have to drive an extra 15 miles, and pay the extra $1 or more per-gallon to get Biodiesel in my area!

Happy Motoring, Mark

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DrDKW

I think Biodiesel is a great notion. It's properties allow it to act as a natural solvent and in turn will help keep your engine internals cleaner. This should equate to a longer lasting engine...

On the down side, most older vehicles utilize butyl rubber and other types that are susceptible to erosion by the detergent biodiesel.

BUT! You can still run Biodiesel. If you don't want to put the cash and time into updating your fuel hoses and gaskets, just be sure to use a B20 Blend of Biodiesel or lower. Even if it's not listed on the side of the pump (as ours on base are not) if you ask the attendant, they can tell you.

(Biodiesel Blends are number from high to low. The higher the number behind the B, the higher the % of Biodiesel.)

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1987 MB 190E 2.3 16V- Name Pending
1982 MB 300SD -Old Blue
1965 Ford Mustang - Laura

I wouldn't trust anything that comes from a University. that includes myself.

Wrong. Biofuels should NEVER be mandated into service. It was a bunch of BS with g@s and ethanol and it would be the exact same with Diesel.

If you want Bxxx in your tank, good for you, go buy it. I don't want it in my tank and I don't want anyone to force me to put it in my tank.

Bummer for those who don't like biofuels. There is growing momentum in an increasing number of States to mandate that all diesel sold contain a percentage of bio. At the same time a lot of those same States are starting to mandate that all gasoline contain a certain percentage of ethanol. There is already talk that the Feds are going to require that all diesel sold in the US be B20 or higher by 2020.

I'm thinking everybody better get used to it - 'cause it's coming guys - like it or not....

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1984 300 Coupe TurboDiesel
Silver blue paint over navy blue interior
2nd owner & 2nd engine in an otherwise
99% original unmolested car
~210k miles on the clock

1986 Ford F250 4x4 Supercab
Charcoal & blue two tone paint over burgundy interior
Banks turbo, DRW, ZF-5 & SMF conversion
152k on the clock - actual mileage unknown

BS its coming. I'll fight that every step of the way.

I love my grease'd 87 300SDL with the greasecar kit installed it drives wonderfully and I wouldn't have it any other way. I installed my first grease car kit on my VW Jetta tdi five years ago and when that got hit by the truck I moved over to the MB. If your going to install a kit get a greasecar kit, very well made. I run b100 and wvo in my mb and she loves it.

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Professional greasecar installer
Austin TX


98 Jetta TDI with grease car kit + veg-therm (totaled)
87 MB 300SDL running on B99 / greasecar kit + 30 fphe
www.austingreaseguys.com

One or two percent biodiesel in petro diesel will prolong the life of your engine without damaging your hoses. Tests have shown that biodiesel improves the lubricating ability of diesel better than ANY commercial lubrication additive. Except for rubber parts biodiesel made to the ASTM standard will still prolong the life of your engine even in larger percentages.

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Ron Schroeder
'85 300 Turbo Diesel 2 tank WVO
'83 300 Turbo Diesel 2 tank WVO
Some former WVO vehicles since ~1980:
'83 Mercedes 240D
'80 Audi 4000D
'83 ISUZU Pup
'70 SAAB 99 with Kubota diesel
'76 Honda Civic with Kubota diesel
'86 Golf
Several diesel generators
All with 2 tank WVO conversion
LI NY

I have been driving bio fuels for over 25 years and using biofuels in generators for about 5 years before that.

The key for used cooking oil is a proper conversion and proper de-watering and filtering of the oil. De-watering is more important than filtering for long engine life. When done right, using used cooking oil will PROLONG the life of your engine. In over 30 years, I have NEVER had a used cooking oil or biodiesel related engine problem but I have had several petro diesel related problems.

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Ron Schroeder
'85 300 Turbo Diesel 2 tank WVO
'83 300 Turbo Diesel 2 tank WVO
Some former WVO vehicles since ~1980:
'83 Mercedes 240D
'80 Audi 4000D
'83 ISUZU Pup
'70 SAAB 99 with Kubota diesel
'76 Honda Civic with Kubota diesel
'86 Golf
Several diesel generators
All with 2 tank WVO conversion
LI NY

In my area, there is competition to buy WVO. At one time there was a fee to have WVO hauled off. Now you must buy it. Some is purchased as feed stock for manufacturing a variety of products such as soaps. Some is purchased for making biodiesel. The biggest buyer is the city. In 2005, the built a biodiesel plant. The plant is powered by methane coming off the land fill. The plant converts WVO to biodiesel for use in city owned trucks and equipment. Surplus biodiesel was to be sold to the public. There never had a surplus. They have been unable to meet the demand and are buying and trucking WVO from up to 50 miles away. I'm not aware of any individuals doing WVO in my area (just north of DFW airport).

I always stuck with good ole #2.

BTW, WVO used for cooing animal products such as chicken contains significant amounts of animal fat in the WVO.

Charles