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#31 04-23-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by greasyv

As for burning store bought VO I believe you are being taxed on that as well so whats the problem?

Sales tax is not road tax. Your car wears the road, not the store.

LUVMBDiesels · #32 04-23-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dee8go

You apparently haven't driven in N. VA. Here, they take OUR tax money and spend it on roads for the lower, less-heavily-populated areas of VA. Our roads up here are too small, too few, and too poorly maintained. Screw the frigging road taxes!

Hey Tom,

Have you driven on the roads in Franklin County or out in Roanoke? They are HORRIBLE! Infact the leading cause of death out there is getting your pick'emup airborne off'n the side of a mountain!
I think roads all over Va are built once then forgotten about -- after all they have a big need for cash in Richmond! gotta fund the guns for cash program among others

LUVMBDiesels · #33 04-23-2008, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bustedbenz

I'd be more inclined to feel sorry for the state getting cheated out of their valuable road-fixing tax money if I saw any real repairs being done on the roads in the vicinity from which I paid the taxes. Everywhere I go there's disrepair.

My road tax money is going to hire more state troopers to suck more money (and happiness) out of my life.

Actually your money is probably going to food and healthcare costs for the deserving poor. Cops have to fund themselves making them itchy to write tickets

ARINUTS · #34 04-23-2008, 10:29 AM

More info on this $2.20 a gallon costco veggie oil please. thank you. web link?

#35 04-23-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dee8go

You apparently haven't driven in N. VA. Here, they take OUR tax money and spend it on roads for the lower, less-heavily-populated areas of VA. Our roads up here are too small, too few, and too poorly maintained. Screw the frigging road taxes!

Let me get this right...

The roads are horrible and barely maintained, so, you take away even more budget money so they have LESS to repair the roads with.

Yeah, great logic you got there.

aklim · #36 04-23-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve300

What "road tax"? I paid enough taxes on April 15.
I can put anything I like in my fuel tank.

AFAIK, those are 2 separate issues.

imagesinthewind · #37 04-23-2008, 10:57 AM

First, no way is Costco selling veggie for $2.20/gallon.
That math was bad somewhere.

Second, while I firmly believe in paying taxes (mom always told me that taxes are the price we pay for living in a civilized society) I don't believe in being taxed 5 times on my money. I get taxed for social-which may not be there when I retire, medicare-also might not be around when I need it and FICA. Then when I buy something I'm made to pay a sales tax. If I buy something for the bar, say a bar stool, I get property taxed for it every year! I buy it taxed (since its not for resale I have to pay sales tax on it) then every year I am accesed(sp?) property taxes on it.

As for road taxes, they can eat my shorts!
My husband and I are cyclists and the roads here SUCK! We are made to stay as far right on the road as possible BUT that is where all the debris from the roads collect. That's where all the holes are that can cause me to go down and get run over by a fool in a car (caggers we call them) that thinks they should be able to drive so close to me that I can touch the car as they go by. I'll BE HAPPY to pay extra road taxes on the fuel I do buy (I own a YUKON for crips sake-and 2 diesels that get driven regularly) when the GOV does something about the roads I have to drive.

If that makes me a criminal (since I use 12 gallons of WVO in the greasecar each week) then so be it.

And Lance, we live in the same city, you KNOW what the roads around here looks like. And the number of cars, the amount of taxes that are collected should, very easily fix and keep fixed the roads of Denver.

aklim · #38 04-23-2008, 10:57 AM

Road tax and getting caught on evasion aside, is VO really the same? Do you get the same mpg and power. Yes, it might be $2.20 a gal but if you are spending more to go further, is it worth it? What is the hassle factor?

#39 04-23-2008, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by imagesinthewind

And Lance, we live in the same city, you KNOW what the roads around here looks like. And the number of cars, the amount of taxes that are collected should, very easily fix and keep fixed the roads of Denver.

I KNOW that SOME roads could use work, I see the work they do and I know they are using plenty of the road taxes to fix the roads and expand the city's infrastructure. Have you seen all the construction that was/is done in the last 5 years?

TREX? The I25-36-I270 junction area reconstruction? The new exit bridge they are building from I270 to I76 and from I76 to I270? The 2 miles of I270 they completely rebuilt? E470's two new bridges over I70? The new roads in Stapleton? All the new suburban roads built as the city expands south-east and north? The GIANT sink hole on I25&58th that was completely repaired in less than two weeks?

You just have to open your eyes and LOOK at what they are doing!

grindMARC · #40 04-23-2008, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

Let me get this right...

The roads are horrible and barely maintained, so, you take away even more budget money so they have LESS to repair the roads with.

Yeah, great logic you got there.

Its just as good, if not better than this bit of logic:

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

Sales tax is not road tax. Your car wears the road, not the store.

The store doesn't keep the sales tax.

Don't let FI get to you folks. If you haven't noticed, he's the resident anti-VO-thread-fouler.
His logic is weak and you can eventually wear his arguments down. But then he sees a fresh thread like this and starts all over again. Give it a rest, man. Think about all the free time you'd have if you didn't click on and reply to all those VO posts. Better yet, get yourself a job with the EPA or IRS and start putting all this hostility to use. But make sure you put your modified fuel system back to stock. Violating a federal law wouldn't look good on your resume.

greasyv · #41 04-23-2008, 11:38 AM

Bill Clinton chopped our military by a huge chunk and we are doing more with what we have left than anyone would have thought possible regardless of your stand on the war.

When has giving more money ever solved the problem with the government. I believe if they gave a crap about fixing the roads they could do it on one tenth the budget they currently have, what ever the amount. (stop the waste) It is amazing how resourceful you get when you don't have much to work with but have to get the job done.

As for gettin caught with VO or WVO or off road diesel in your tank, I don't think I have ever been pulled over and asked what was in the tank. Word of caution there, don't drive around with your stickers bragging about your fuel source. keep it to yourself.

If you still believe your government isn't stealing from you and is going to take care of all your problems like a pimp takes care of a whore then go ahead and hand over every last cent and don't worry about a thing it will all be ok.

#42 04-23-2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by grindMARC

Listen to FI folks. If you haven't noticed, he attempts to correct the very poor logic of the VO fad followers.

I corrected it for you.

Jeremy5848 · #43 04-23-2008, 12:30 PM

I'm going to Costco today and will report back on their price. Last I heard, a jug containing just under 4 quarts was selling for $3.something. I also plan to do some kitchen experiments with VO and biodiesel to learn how easily they will blend.

On the tax issue, VO and WVO and homemade biodiesel users could be paying road tax on their fuel (we just don't know about it). The details on procedures, state by state, may be found here (The Official Site of the National VegOil Board).

Here in California, VO has an advantage over WVO in that WVO transporters are required to have a license (currently $100/year + $75/vehicle) and a $1 million bond. So WVO is no longer "free." Perhaps more importantly, the procedure effectively "raises your head above the weeds" where it can be seen by other regulating and taxing authorities.

Sales tax is a wash -- both veg oil at the store and motor fuel at the pump is subject to sales tax. Caveat: in some states, food is not taxed. Whether veg oil is considered "food" may vary from state to state.

The bottom line is that using fuel in a road vehicle without paying road taxes is at best a form of a loophole and loopholes are almost always closed eventually. At worst it is tax evasion, which can be serious if someone wants to make an example out of you. I have not heard of that happening (other than inspections for "red diesel") but it is always a possibility.

In extreme rural areas (Siberia, for example) people have modified internal combustion engines to run on the gas fumes from slowly burning wood, probably a procedure similar to propane or CNG conversions. The gas generators are fueled with lengths of the small trees that cover the earth in those areas. I wonder how that would be taxed here (aside from the smog issues)?

I, of course, am buying the stuff to use in my Satoh "Beaver" diesel tractor, which is not an on-road vehicle and therefore not subject to the tax.

Jeremy

Burnzy · #44 04-23-2008, 12:35 PM

Great thread!! It seems as though some people get caught up in the trivialities of obeying the law. Anyone have their EGR connected? Or working properly? If one of the Marxists gets elected that will become a felony, and you will be banished to the North Pole to drown with the polar bears. All kidding aside, I appreciate the need to be a part of a law abiding country even when many around us do not. With that said, I think it is incumbent on the individual citizen to weigh the perceived need for a million and one laws against the cost and burden those very laws cause the citizen. We have had laws and taxes shoved in every orrifice by every level of government in this country as I see it, not much has improved. Time to rise up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Get some revolution up in this *****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We all break the law on some level just about every day, usually because it helps us in some way (speeding, having an extra beer or two at the pub, keeping multiple wives.........) Let's all have a big mug of "Lighten the Hell Up" juice.

lietuviai · #45 04-23-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lietuviai

I'll be happy to pay my taxes when I see my tax money spent wisely.

I wasn't advocating evading taxes here. I was stating that I am unhappy paying my taxes because of the all the waste and incompetence I see in our govt.
We should try to vote the a-holes out that are responsible for all the waste but I don't even have faith in the voting system. It's all a farce!