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Old 04-23-2008, 06:32 PM
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In California, a license to transport "inedible kitchen grease" (WVO) as of 2008, costs $375.00 and licensees must have $1,000,000 insurance.
As for air pollution from wood-gas powered vehicles, the gas is cleaned before it goes to the carburetor. I have a lot more information on this if anyone wants to ask. Steve

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Old 04-23-2008, 06:38 PM
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FI, do everyone else a favor and get yourself a sticky in this forum where you can make all your arguments in one place. Do you really have the time to rehash and repost these same weak points over and over again?
You will save yourself much aggravation if you just add FI to your ignore list. It's easy to show the messages on the topics he knows something about, and the rest of the time you don't see them. Unlike most trolls, he doesn't seem to write stuff that other people quote all the time. It's increased my sense of calm greatly.
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Old 04-23-2008, 08:42 PM
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Just to add a note about paying taxes on diesel, VO or WVO. I think the simple solution has been to simply claim the number of miles per year you put on your car and then pay the taxes for the amount of fuel you would have purchased. Both parties are happy, you save by not buying fuel and the gov is happy cause they gets paid too!
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Old 04-23-2008, 09:17 PM
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So, it is ok to blend VO with your diesel ? At 80% VO 20% Diesel 2 ? What about WVO, can this also be blended as long as its filtered at this percentage ?
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Old 04-23-2008, 10:11 PM
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So, it is ok to blend VO with your diesel ? At 80% VO 20% Diesel 2 ? What about WVO, can this also be blended as long as its filtered at this percentage ?
With reservations, clean oil shouldn't hurt anything in warm conditions. A heating system would be very ideal, according to general consensus. Waste oil seems to behave a little differently and for engine-safe results, should really be converted into bio-diesel first which can then be run 100% with no penalty or modification in any aspect (except the smell, which starts to smell less like the sweet scent of diesel and more like the smell of rotting food scraps in grease.)

If I was going to gamble on running an unheated system, I would far rather gamble that on clean oil than used oil.
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Old 04-23-2008, 10:15 PM
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yes it can. WVO or VO it's all the same even waste motor oil will burn just fine with mixtures up to 80% although I try not to run waste motor oil as long as their are available supplies of WVO. I would rather breath WVO fumes than motor oil mix. I've been running WVO mix for 2 1/2 yrs no problems.
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Old 04-23-2008, 10:20 PM
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If your exhaust or grease smells like rotting food then you've got the wrong kind of grease.

I prefer the smell of Waste vegoil over Diesel any day of the week. My car doesn't clatter as much as it does on diesel and you will notice an immediate improvement in the sound on your first tank of WVO or VO.
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If your exhaust or grease smells like rotting food then you've got the wrong kind of grease.

I prefer the smell of Waste vegoil over Diesel any day of the week. My car doesn't clatter as much as it does on diesel and you will notice an immediate improvement in the sound on your first tank of WVO or VO.
For me, the loss of 1 or 2 mpg, coupled with the loss of diesel smell which I personally like, kills it.

Not necessarily rotten... but they're running the local bus fleet on the stuff and it smells pretty bad sometimes when you're expecting plain old diesel fuel.
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Old 04-23-2008, 10:40 PM
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What is it with you people that go around sniffing exhausts? Makes me think of dogs that go around sniffing each other's butt. I get in the car, crank it and go. I haven't sniffed my exhaust for a long time and I haven't missed it one bit. You guys start the car and purposely stick your head in the exhaust stream or what? Bio guys keep talking about how their exhaust smells like this or that. Do you plumb your exhaust into the cabin or what?
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Old 04-23-2008, 10:43 PM
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What is it with you people that go around sniffing exhausts? Makes me think of dogs that go around sniffing each other's butt. I get in the car, crank it and go. I haven't sniffed my exhaust for a long time and I haven't missed it one bit. You guys start the car and purposely stick your head in the exhaust stream or what? Bio guys keep talking about how their exhaust smells like this or that. Do you plumb your exhaust into the cabin or what?
Cranking up in the garage a few minutes before you leave, the garage has that sweet smell to it when you step outside.

Letting it idle while you tinker with this or that under the hood, the yard gradually gives you a whiff now and then.

My personal story, growing up on a farm, the tractor blowing smoke back across your head once in a while when the wind changed, mixed with cut grass... ahh.

Cranking the car in the summer to get the a/c going, then loading your groceries standing at the trunk...

Standing at the pump, filling up...

Any number of occasions to get a quick whiff. Not like we breathe it constantly, it's just very pleasant as the smell wafts through once in a while.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:32 AM
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He paid tax on the D2. Why should he be subject to tax on something that just gets him more miles per gallon of D2?
Because it is a supplementary fuel source.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:41 AM
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Nah, It's a fuel additive.
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Because it is a supplementary fuel source.
well, what about hybrid cars? the batteries are charged off of the cars momentum, not off the motor. so momentum is a supplementary "fuel" too then huh? Are you advocating a momentum tax FI? you know, for an anarchist, you sure do love to pay taxes.
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Old 04-24-2008, 03:05 AM
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yep, you gots bad info

That price of $2.20 per gallon is not possible. At my (ex)place of work we buy soy bean oil in bulk, 40,000 lbs a shot, and we were paying .33 per lb. That comes out to about $2.54 per gallon.
So definately, someone did feed you wrong info...
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Old 04-24-2008, 05:22 AM
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well, what about hybrid cars? the batteries are charged off of the cars momentum, not off the motor. so momentum is a supplementary "fuel" too then huh? Are you advocating a momentum tax FI? you know, for an anarchist, you sure do love to pay taxes.
No, I advocate for higher registration/tag cost on hybrids.

Who said anarchist? Anarchy doesn't work in the world anymore. As much as we all hate government, we need it. Libertarianism is for limited government, not elimination of it.

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