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Old 04-23-2008, 12:51 AM
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Exactly. I never understand people wanting to evade taxes and stuff....do you not want to improve public services and roads etc..? Europeans pay oodles of taxes compared to us, and they get free healthcare, college, schooling, beautiful roads, excellent public places and services....etc....in the USA no-one thinks that way, its all a gimme-gimme-greedy society.

I bought a trailer last year from a guy for $250........he says to me...I can put like $75 on here (on our invoice/receipt thing) so you don't pay so much on the taxes.....I said "I'll HONESTLY pay all the taxes on this, not necessary." He looked stunned and just wrote the $250 on there. Just an ordinary guy, his little kids were playing in the next room. Hey kids, dad's a criminal!

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Old 04-23-2008, 12:56 AM
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I'll be happy to pay my taxes when I see my tax money spent wisely.
So much for Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama!
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Old 04-23-2008, 12:57 AM
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So much for Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama!
So much for any system of government.
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Old 04-23-2008, 12:59 AM
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I can certainly see Forced's point of view on taxes, especially living in Federal Heights as he does . . .

but leaving the legalities aside,

how much "mixing" does it take to blend the veggie oil with whatever else you are using as fuel? I'd like to be able to pour five or ten gallons of VO directly into, say, half a tank of biodiesel and let it "mix itself." But I don't want the VO to lay there like a cheapoburger in the pit of my stomach and give the car heartburn.

Incidentally, all of our diesels have been on B100 for many miles so any petro-crud that might be loosened has already been loosened, IMHO.

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Old 04-23-2008, 01:00 AM
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So much for any system of government.
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Old 04-23-2008, 01:01 AM
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I ran a 70% veg, 20% diesel 10% RUG mix a couple years ago for an entire tank, and it ran happily off it.....probably wasn't good for the motor though.
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Old 04-23-2008, 01:02 AM
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I can certainly see Forced's point of view on taxes, especially living in Federal Heights as he does . . .

but leaving the legalities aside,

how much "mixing" does it take to blend the veggie oil with whatever else you are using as fuel? I'd like to be able to pour five or ten gallons of VO directly into, say, half a tank of biodiesel and let it "mix itself." But I don't want the VO to lay there like a cheapoburger in the pit of my stomach and give the car heartburn.

Incidentally, all of our diesels have been on B100 for many miles so any petro-crud that might be loosened has already been loosened, IMHO.

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Old 04-23-2008, 01:20 AM
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I'd be more inclined to feel sorry for the state getting cheated out of their valuable road-fixing tax money if I saw any real repairs being done on the roads in the vicinity from which I paid the taxes. Everywhere I go there's disrepair.

My road tax money is going to hire more state troopers to suck more money (and happiness) out of my life.
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Old 04-23-2008, 08:11 AM
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Road repair funding is a crock......

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I'd be more inclined to feel sorry for the state getting cheated out of their valuable road-fixing tax money if I saw any real repairs being done on the roads in the vicinity from which I paid the taxes. Everywhere I go there's disrepair.
Uh, folks, the FEDERAL part of the fuel taxes is supposed to be spent on renewal/repair of federal highways. However, thanks to the John Kennedy administration back in the sixties, by convincing congress to spend any and all revenues (social security used to be stand alone from the general revenue, to be spent only on SS benefits) however they wanted, established a prescedent. Now any and all revenues are spent however they want. So now your "road use" taxes are spent on whatever pork barrel project is in vogue. MOST state road projects rely on some form of federal matching funds as most roads are rated both federal and state. Therefore no federal matching funds, no state road repair.

Several years back here in TEXAS, the Federal Dept. of Transport was gonna stop funds from coming back from Warshingtun, fer road rebuilding/repair because TEXAS was not enforcing the 55 mph speed limit enough to suit the federalies. Gubernator at the time as Dubya, I think. Told the feds to jest go ahead and withhold funds iffen they wanted to. Cept, since the state collected the funds in the first place and forwarded the fed portion to Warshingtun, that they (the Feds) should be prepared to collect such taxes themselves and not rely on the state fer the service. When faced with yet another bureau (or 50 such bureaus) that they would have to enact, and the resulting public uproar, the Feds backed off. Gest another blow for states rights fer ya information. And TEXAS is an unruly State. See, we are the only state that was a whole nuther country before joinin th Union.

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Old 04-23-2008, 08:18 AM
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It is illegal to burn on public roads, you will be evading your road taxes, you will be hurting the real law aiding and tax paying citizens . . . .
You apparently haven't driven in N. VA. Here, they take OUR tax money and spend it on roads for the lower, less-heavily-populated areas of VA. Our roads up here are too small, too few, and too poorly maintained. Screw the frigging road taxes!
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Old 04-23-2008, 08:31 AM
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I bought a trailer last year from a guy for $250........he says to me...I can put like $75 on here (on our invoice/receipt thing) so you don't pay so much on the taxes.....I said "I'll HONESTLY pay all the taxes on this, not necessary." He looked stunned and just wrote the $250 on there. Just an ordinary guy, his little kids were playing in the next room. Hey kids, dad's a criminal!
nah i don't think he is a criminal... there is no reason we should pay taxes on vehicles (or trailers) every time they are bought or sold.... the same for houses... the Gov't are the gimme-gimme's here
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Old 04-23-2008, 09:41 AM
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There sure is an awful lot of money going to "road repair and improvement" but roads and bridges everywhere are falling apart. That "tire disposal fee" you pay whenever you get new tires is "supposed" to be going towards road & bridge improvement. I'm a Jersey transplant to Texas, and for the most part, the roads here aren't really better than Jersey which is a big surprise. I figured with less frost-heaving and salt, they'd be light years better but Texas, like Jersey, seems to be under perpetual construction.
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Old 04-23-2008, 09:58 AM
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I ran a 70% veg, 20% diesel 10% RUG mix a couple years ago for an entire tank, and it ran happily off it.....probably wasn't good for the motor though.
Looks like Daddy is a criminal after all.
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Old 04-23-2008, 10:00 AM
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I applaud the honesty of those who want to hand over every cent the government wants to suck, however I believe the thieves are the ones in charge of spending our hard earned taxes. Also lets not forget who and what we are funding by buying more petro in the first place.

As for burning store bought VO I believe you are being taxed on that as well so whats the problem?

I have been running mixtures as high as 80% WVO in the summer and 50/50 in the winter for the last 2 yrs without problems. The amount of money I save on fuel I could afford to replace my car every year and still come out ahead!
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Old 04-23-2008, 10:10 AM
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I applaud the honesty of those who want to hand over every cent the government wants to suck, however I believe the thieves are the ones in charge of spending our hard earned taxes. Also lets not forget who and what we are funding by buying more petro in the first place.

As for burning store bought VO I believe you are being taxed on that as well so whats the problem?

I have been running mixtures as high as 80% WVO in the summer and 50/50 in the winter for the last 2 yrs without problems. The amount of money I save on fuel I could afford to replace my car every year and still come out ahead!
Amen Brother!!!!

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