Hydrogen systems- has anyone had success? - Page 22 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Kevin Johnson · #**316** 07-21-2008, 04:51 PM

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0.75% is NOT a significant amount no matter how you try to warp reality!

It is certainly different from no positive effect. That's not warping reality -- it's reporting data. And it's your report.

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You didn't bother to mention that I got 21% better economy (33.97mpg) after that and 8% better economy (28.8mpg) on the tank after that. Care to follow up on that and explain how I got significantly higher economy without the device? Lasting effects? Miracle?

Why would I bother mentioning with the first one? You stated yourself they were primarily highway miles. The second one had not been reported when I accessed your report. I don't find it particularly remarkable that after a long trip on the highway that your engine is cleaned out and getting better mileage on the next tank.

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Have you ever been to India or seen how they produce things? Contact TomJ and he can tell you first hand how crappy their quality is.

Stop slamming an entire country's industrial base.

This is from the company in question:

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India's most prestigious space program -PSLV ROCKET LAUNCH PAD- MOBILE SERVICE TOWER -SWING DOOR MECHANISM is fitted with HYDRODRIVE FLUID COUPLINGS-8 Nos. after stringent quality testing and assurance certification by the world renowned inspecting agency M/S.BUREAU VERITAS-FRANCE for space worthiness.

What specific issues do you have with the standards of the testing group? Take your time.

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Go troll elsewhere for a bit, everyone is growing tired of the the spittle you are producing here. Even RichC is calling you out on it!

I am not trolling -- I am defending an idea and you simply don't care for that. Oh well.

rrgrassi · #**317** 07-21-2008, 04:57 PM

Estes now makes a model rocket kit that is supposed to use hydrogen created by water that is added. Package claims that the hydrogen is recaptured as water during combustion, allowing use over and over again.

It uses "d" batteries for the electricity. I did not see just how long it took to generated enough hydrogen to make the rocket blast off.

I do recall reading about the Hindenberg. Hydrogen burned quite well that time.

Kevin Johnson · #**318** 07-21-2008, 05:06 PM

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Estes now makes a model rocket kit that is supposed to use hydrogen created by water that is added. Package claims that the hydrogen is recaptured as water during combustion, allowing use over and over again.

It uses "d" batteries for the electricity. I did not see just how long it took to generated enough hydrogen to make the rocket blast off.

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Hydrogen Fuel Rocket
Go Green! Make high efficiency, hydrogen rocket fuel to launch your Estes rocket. Our scientists have created a revolutionary hydrogen fuel technology. This new hydrogen fuel technology uses water to generate the hydrogen fuel needed to thrust a sleek rocket 200 feet (61 m) into the sky!

So how does it work? By passing an electric current (using six D-size alkaline batteries) through a liquid solution composed of tap water and citric acid crystals (similar to lemon juice), the water molecule bonds are broken down into the primary elements of hydrogen and oxygen (this process is called electrolysis and takes place in the Fuel Generator). These separated hydrogen and oxygen molecules then bubble upward into the plastic ball (Reaction Chamber) where an igniter produces the heat necessary to ignite the hydrogen fuel. The expanding gases launch the rocket high into the air. After the hydrogen ignites, it combines with the oxygen to form the by-product, water! The Hydrogen Fuel Rocket is a wonderful mixture of science and fun that will have you outside launching your rocket in minutes.

Sounds like fun.

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I do recall reading about the Hindenberg. Hydrogen burned quite well that time.

Yes, earlier I quoted Captain Max Pruss. He's pretty sure it was sabotage. I tend to agree.

#**319** 07-22-2008, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Johnson

Stop slamming an entire country's industrial base.

Make me. I have yet to see something worth buying come out of India. I like the people but their manufacturing industry is worthless.

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I am not trolling -- I am defending an idea and you simply don't care for that.

You are defending an idea you do not fully understand.

Kevin Johnson · #**320** 07-22-2008, 06:05 AM

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Make me. I have yet to see something worth buying come out of India. I like the people but their manufacturing industry is worthless.

Hey, still waiting for your critique of the space-flight standards that the company in question met. It's so easy to talk trash. Back it up.

Waiting...

Waiting...

Edit: Owned.

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You are defending an idea you do not fully understand.

I think it is abundantly clear that I understand it about 1000 times better than you, Sir.

Spend some of your time looking at current research.

Yawn.

#**321** 07-22-2008, 06:09 AM

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I think it is abundantly clear that I understand it about 1000 times better than you, Sir.

Obviously not if you think the scam actually works and vigorously claim that a 0.75% gain is somehow not withing normal variables.

Kevin Johnson · #**322** 07-22-2008, 06:12 AM

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Obviously not if you think the scam actually works and vigorously claim that a 0.75% gain is somehow not withing normal variables.

Go take a graduate level research methods course.

Then learn a bit more about probability theory.

Then learn a tad more about the methodology of scientific research programmes. Start with Kuhn, work through Lakatos and Feyerabend.

Cervan · #**323** 07-22-2008, 07:14 AM

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Go take a graduate level research methods course.

Then learn a bit more about probability theory.

Then learn a tad more about the methodology of scientific research programmes. Start with Kuhn, work through Lakatos and Feyerabend.

Calm down man, were debating here, not waving our e-penis's.

Kevin Johnson · #**324** 07-22-2008, 09:01 AM

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Calm down man, were debating here, not waving our e-penis's.

Well, you can see why I didn't want to become a professor. I don't have a ton of patience. It is a character flaw that I did not want to inflict on young minds.

bbail2x2 · #**325** 07-22-2008, 12:05 PM

From ForcedInduction
"The oil was produced over millions of years of heat and pressure in the earth."

now there's a hypothesis that has not been "proven" and never will be because no one was there to see the start(except the one who knows it all).
also, here's a thought. electrolosis takes energy to make hydrogen. energy is produced by alternators. alternators can be turned by engines which run on hydrogen. it is not self sufficient cause you must add water(ie. fuel)

my 2¢

#**326** 07-23-2008, 10:18 AM

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now there's a hypothesis that has not been "proven" and never will be because no one was there to see the start.

Actually, yeah, it has been.

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Hey, still waiting for your critique of the space-flight standards that the company in question met. It's so easy to talk trash. Back it up.

Waiting...

Waiting...

Edit: Owned.

The only thing you have "owned" is your mastery of trolling. There is nothing to critique in space-flight standards, they are government set standards. Anyone with a single brain cell can bash the government on any topic.

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I think it is abundantly clear that I understand it about 1000 times better than you, Sir.

Incorrect. Anyone viewing your posts can clearly see you do not understand the basics of its operation.