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Old 10-03-2009, 06:38 AM
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B11 Biodiesel?

I bought some diesel in Guymon, OK yesterday and the sticker on the pump said it was "B11."

The fine print went on to say that the fuel contained between 5% and 20% biodiesel.

That seems odd and unnecessarily vague to me.

Could that be an Oklahoma thing or would any such designation have to be Federal?

It just seems odd and I haven't seen it anywhere else.

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Old 10-03-2009, 09:15 AM
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I guess B11 was the nominal value. Is there really any difference between B5 and B20 (or B0, for that matter) in practice? The B11 will hurt your mileage and power a little, but it's mostly harmless.
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Old 10-03-2009, 10:47 AM
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I've read that one of the reasons to add bio-diesel to dino-diesel is that it increase the lubricity. (ULSD isn't as slick).
Here's a link: hxxp://www.saafer.org/userfiles/file/alternative%20fuels/Biodiesel_2006.pdf

it's on the 2nd page.

And here's another link: hxxp://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy05osti/37136.pdf

its on the 1 page, 1'st column.

The lubricity of bio-diesel will become increasingly important because EPA regulations will require the use of ultra-low sulfur diesel fuels in all U.S. highway diesel engines by 2006. Unfortunately, ultra-low sulfur diesel fuels can have poor lubricating properties. Low levels of bio-diesel used as a lubricity additive can help solve this problem.

The energy amount in bio-diesel is approx 10% less than diesel. A blend of 20% would have a negligible effect on MPG.

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Old 10-03-2009, 12:14 PM
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My cars currently all run on commercial B20. Performance and economy is sufficiently similar to D2 that I can't tell the difference. B100 does cost me 1-2 mpg plus another dollar a gallon so I have stopped buying it.

Your station may mix its own blend by dumping in some B100 and then some D2, or they may buy from a variety of distributors who sell different blends. Unless you completely drained the tank or had a chem lab handy, you'd never know what exactly what ratio was in the tank. So they use "B11" for CYA purposes (and "YMMV").

Anything in the B2-B5 range is sufficient for lubricity purposes; B20 and up is enough to get rid of the diesel smell (or "stink" as my wife calls it).

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Old 10-04-2009, 03:54 PM
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I have another oddball car, where it runs more ecomomically and makes more power on B100. ??? YMMV is right.
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Old 10-05-2009, 02:08 AM
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I have another oddball car, where it runs more ecomomically and makes more power on B100. ??? YMMV is right.
My TDI as well.
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Old 10-05-2009, 09:23 AM
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I'd like to read more. Any numbers?
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I see that same label here in NC.
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Old 10-05-2009, 11:31 AM
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My TDI as well.
Slightly lower mileage in both our w123s, but no diff in power. Car runs a bit smoother on B100 and I pay $0.25-$0.50 LESS than D2 per gallon here.
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Old 10-05-2009, 11:36 AM
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I'd like to read more. Any numbers?
Before I started actively driving to increase mileage, I was regularly getting 35-36 mpg with D2 and 38 with B100. Now I'm getting 40-41 on B100, and with the cooler weather, I will be using more diesel. But winter isn't a good time to compare as kero starts getting mixed into the D2.

My Mercedes did seem to get 1-2 mpg better on D2, but I was never able to meter the biodiesel. I'm not actively driving it currently. I built a fueling station so I can measure it now.
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Old 10-05-2009, 01:30 PM
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You are so true on your statement. The ULSD isn't good for our older cars, but the biodiesel will atleast lube the system. And at such a low amount you will not have issues with your rubber.


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I've read that one of the reasons to add bio-diesel to dino-diesel is that it increase the lubricity. (ULSD isn't as slick).
Here's a link: hxxp://www.saafer.org/userfiles/file/alternative%20fuels/Biodiesel_2006.pdf

it's on the 2nd page.

And here's another link: hxxp://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy05osti/37136.pdf

its on the 1 page, 1'st column.

The lubricity of bio-diesel will become increasingly important because EPA regulations will require the use of ultra-low sulfur diesel fuels in all U.S. highway diesel engines by 2006. Unfortunately, ultra-low sulfur diesel fuels can have poor lubricating properties. Low levels of bio-diesel used as a lubricity additive can help solve this problem.

The energy amount in bio-diesel is approx 10% less than diesel. A blend of 20% would have a negligible effect on MPG.

my links are dead XX... replace the XX with tt or just copy from the end of the //

I've put my flame suit on.
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Old 10-05-2009, 01:52 PM
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The milage on my 97 is way off the 95's, but the 95 ( which had sealing and IP issues) behaved normally in that it was 33 mpg B100/36+mpg D2. THe 97 is 27.5 B100 and 26.5 D2. Just about the same actually

Old engine smoked less on B100. Newer engine only smokes on hard accel D2. Both sound much more "symphonic" on B100, and smell much better!

Only issue with B100 is that leaks are harder to smell than D2.

And you have to buy some Viton lines and orings eventually.

I'd love to see some work on B100 concerning cam timing, IP timing, etc.
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Well I'm not getting flamed. Thanks all.

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