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01-07-2011, 07:00 AM
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I've run both WVO and BD with great success. It really boils down to two things, you either have to *properly* convert the car so it can accept the oil as is (WVO) or you have to *properly* convert the oil so the car can accept it as is (Biodiesel). There is really only one way to do each correctly but a million trillion different roads to get there and both will cost you a couple, three grand in equipment as a *proper* entry fee. Anyone who says it costs less is not being truthful.
Both require outstanding feedstock. The old addage "GIGO" applies. In either case, whether running WVO or converting WVO into BD, it needs to be water and free fatty acid free. Lots of ways to get there but that is the start. Absent that you are asking for trouble. On WVO, *properly* converting the car is a dual tank system that uses some heat source to get the oil to at least 160F at the injectors. Filter/centrifuge of feedstock is critical. Anything less is a disaster waiting to happen. On Biodiesel, *proper* conversion and complete washing/drying are critical. Shortcuts along the way will doom you. As I stated earlier, there are morons around and if they do not take the time to do it *properly* there is a cost to that. These iron head 616/617s are pretty forgiving. Put some of this crap into a Duramax...yeah ok. Not hard but once again, requires substantial committment to learning and doing. This means getting off your ass and doing lots of work. Most people will not do it for people are inherently lazy. If they can't pull up to the pump and swipe a card or hit it in the drive thru, it's too much work. For the rest of us who get off our ass and do it right, we of course are morons who are ruining our cars.
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01-07-2011, 08:12 AM
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so far it looks favorable.
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01-07-2011, 08:54 AM
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Are you or the other mods going to run for presidency? Doing all this stuff to make every one happy!! Next you will be kissing babies!! 
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01-07-2011, 10:32 AM
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I don't consuider that pandering, just considering what some members want, which is why I raised this question to begin with. Once the enclave/man cave gets done, I am seriously considering adding biodiesel production. I just need to get a good supply of source material and the proper equipment.
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01-07-2011, 12:17 PM
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A modest proposal
Moderators, may I make a suggestion?
I agree we need a subforum, but perhaps there should be two: one for strictly technical "how-to" advice, moderated to be POSTIVE in tone... and a second for theory discussion, where we can happily have it out with the many denyers we seem to have in the crowd here. (And, frankly some of the theory debate between WVO supporters can get pretty hot, as evidenced by the single-tank vs dual-tank discussions here.) If we try to combine both sets of content into one group, I submit it will require almost totalitarian moderation.... Just my $0.02
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01-07-2011, 01:05 PM
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May I ask what a enclave/man cave is?
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01-07-2011, 02:25 PM
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If you are gonna brew BD in it, make sure it is far away from the house and cars so that if it blows up or burns down, it is not major financial hardship. I've heard of too many cases of it.
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01-07-2011, 02:57 PM
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01-07-2011, 03:45 PM
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ask and if it's reasonable you shall receive!
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John HAUL AWAY, OR CRUSHED CARS!!! HELP ME keep the cars out of the crusher! A/C Thread "as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do! My drivers: 1987 190D 2.5Turbo 1987 190D 2.5Turbo 1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!! 1987 300TD 1987 300TD 1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere!
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01-07-2011, 03:46 PM
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John HAUL AWAY, OR CRUSHED CARS!!! HELP ME keep the cars out of the crusher! A/C Thread "as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do! My drivers: 1987 190D 2.5Turbo 1987 190D 2.5Turbo 1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!! 1987 300TD 1987 300TD 1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere!
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