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Old 12-24-2012, 11:01 PM
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Sold my W210 turbo diesel

I sold my W210 -- 1998 E300D turbo diesel to a friend.. That was a hell of a nice car. I drove it last year and put new bilstein oem shocks on it and put on a trailer hitch and it was an awesome ride. I drove it on a couple 1500 mile trips to the inlaws in florida. But my friend needed a family car and i just didn't need it as my 1998 jetta is still running great and just won't die.

I put on a simple single tank veg system on the W210 and blended my wvo with 10% diesel and 5% gasoline and added the power service anti gel and cetane boost. The car ran like a top. Our last trip thanksgiving was 1600 miles and i only spent 50.00 on fuel including the 15% blend of petrol and I didn't pack quite enough wvo to make it home.

From a wvo perspective, they optimized the 606 for combustion , just evolving the 617 , so that i think it is one of the best single tank wvo cars. My new veg way is to blend the fuel in a 55 gallon drum and pump mix and filter it repeatedly then pump in the car. The diesel and gasoline and powerservice helps get you a complete burn which is really your main problem when it comes to running wvo. Plus make sure your glow plugs work. All easy problems for us wrenchers. If you have good combustion right from the start (meaning good glow plugs) and your filters don't gel up, you are good. Also change your oil ever 5000 miles when running wvo single tank.

My 1998 jetta we got at 88,000 miles about 10 years ago. At 110,00 we put the wvo system -- an elsbett (greasenergy.com now) plus i added an extra heated tank in the trunk just for good measure and it was my wife's car and she liked the redundancy of the two tank. Well, now the car has 235,000 miles on it. my wife wrecked it in front but I put it back together with some body parts from a junker and i'm driving it. The tank in trunk got a hole in it so i'm going single tank now. I want to hit 300,000 miles and then get a W211. What is amazing to me is after all that wvo for the last 120,000 miles or so, the car fires right up like the day we got it every time. I want to see if same holds true when i hit 300,000 miles going single tank from now on with my fuel blend.

So what the heck was the point of this story? Oh yeah, I sold my w210 because i think the w211 is going to be the bomb car that I want like my 1998 jetta -- good fuel economy, sporty ride yet nice and roomy for long trips and runs great on wvo. What do you guys think of the W211? Anyone running grease in them? Is the W211 a bit sportier than the W210? Better body? It looks awesome inside but yet a bit smaller. But really cool. I'm trying to hustle up some money so i can buy one. Or i'm going to wait till they are cheaper in 5 years.

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Old 12-24-2012, 11:11 PM
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I just sold my 99 E300 a few months ago. Like you, I have not even near enough money to buy the 211. I'll probably get another E300 when they're selling for $2.000. I haven't heard anybody vegging the 211. Is it even possible?
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:41 AM
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Man it has got to be. Tons of dodge sprinters run good on grease with the cdi inline 5 cylinder . I put a system on someones and they have gotten over 30,000 miles so far. Im thinking a a 2005 or 2006 inline 6 before the bluetec came out is basically same engine in the sprinter right?

I'd love to experiment with it. Cummins and Vw cdis run good on grease. I was thinking the mbs would do even better. Alas the only w211 around here are between 15000 to 20000. I can't afford that hobby. Someone's got to have tried it. Even a 50/50 blend would be good.
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Old 12-25-2012, 01:15 AM
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2005 Mercedes E320 CDI WVO

I have 20k grease miles on my 05. If you buy them with 150k miles to start they are much cheaper. I run a two tank system (36) Gallon tank in the trunk. That leads to a Raw Power fuel pump(75 PSI) that pushes into the veg filter that goes to a fphe and there is a Injector Line Heater wrapped around the common rail. I use 3 greasecar switches so that the diesel pump never turns off. I also use mostly pex fuel line and coolant lines. I have one piece of rubber fuel line or I can not get the fuel filter out of the car.

It is a really sharp set-up. I mounted the pump/FPHE/Veg Filter under the drivers side headlight in front of the tire. One switch is on the intake manifold and the other two are on the driver side of the engine.

I would not run a blend in high pressure injectors.
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:39 PM
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I have 20k grease miles on my 05. If you buy them with 150k miles to start they are much cheaper. I run a two tank system (36) Gallon tank in the trunk. That leads to a Raw Power fuel pump(75 PSI) that pushes into the veg filter that goes to a fphe and there is a Injector Line Heater wrapped around the common rail. I use 3 greasecar switches so that the diesel pump never turns off. I also use mostly pex fuel line and coolant lines. I have one piece of rubber fuel line or I can not get the fuel filter out of the car.

It is a really sharp set-up. I mounted the pump/FPHE/Veg Filter under the drivers side headlight in front of the tire. One switch is on the intake manifold and the other two are on the driver side of the engine.

I would not run a blend in high pressure injectors.
Cool. Do you like the w211 body? What kind of fuel economy? I park in a garage and it doesn't get that cold here in mid tn anymore so I was thinking my two tank days were over. But I would do it if I had to.
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Old 12-25-2012, 10:28 PM
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Fuels Mileage

When I picked the car up from the west coast of Florida and drove home to the east coast I set the cruise at 73 mph and drove for about 3 hours and got 42 mpg. When I took the "sweetride" to NC on a trip I got 37 mpg on the grease. The last 20k miles the trip computer says I am getting 27.6 mpg. But I spend a lot of time sitting still idle. And I deliver pizzas in my car one night a week, both things are really bad for fuel mileage.

It is a great car worlds apart from any previous diesel MB.
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:04 AM
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42mpg at 73 mph -- That sounds great to me. Thanks for the info. My wife's 2004 beetle only gets 40. Those trip computers are always low in my experience on the Vw passats. But don't know about mb ones. Never had one. I can't wait to get one.

Is that the same basic engine that is in a sprinter? I *THINK* high pressure systems are better for veggie oil blends. High pressure means more heat so I think good clean blend of 20% kerosene, 5% gasoline would do fine in a single tank. Run that through a flat plate heat exchanger and a 5 micron filter before the stock filter and glow extra long before starting and there's the system I want to try. Maybe flushing every now and then with biodiesel too.
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Old 12-27-2012, 10:39 PM
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Fuel Pump

I have been running grease since 2000 and I find that converting a car to run on grease is the easy part. "The Grease" is the hard part. Collecting storing and filtering are the hard parts. If you are running a blend you have to filter it and blend it and from your last post you have to modify the car anyway. My CDI heats up the whole system in 5 minutes. And flush time is 10 seconds. I can leave it in grease mode for an hour and still be fine. It was $1200 give or take a little to convert mine most of that was in the $500 Raw Power fuel pump. $300 for the 36 gallon tank. $200 in fittings and hoses. $200 for switches, valves and filterhead and filter.

It might work as a blend system but, If you blow up the factory fuel pump it is $800 atleast to replace it. I would recommend injection line heaters, two that is. One for the injector lines and one for the common rail which is a huge heat sink.

If you blow up the engine you will have to sell two 99 mb to pay for it.

The trip gauge is for the most part right on. I checked it a few times before I was running SVO. When I took the long trip I knew how much grease I had to start with and how much diesel I used and it was right on the calculation at 37 mpg. It really is an impressive car. I wish it had the Sat Radio it just has a button that says SAT.

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Cool. Thanks. It would be interesting to see the viscosity difference of hot wvo and a 75% blend wouldn't it? There are three problems with wvo -- viscosity, combustion, and gunking things up. I think blending helps all those a lot. Heating helps viscosity and purging helps gunking. I think if I added a second tank it would be a small purge tank under the hood maybe. The added diesel and gas to a blend helps get a better burn I think than straight wvo.

Tell me about it. The grease is the hard part. I can't wait to get one of these. I wonder if it's worth while to buy a low mileage one like 100000 or so. Or better to wait til everything has broken and been fixed like I have done with my other benzs -- ie 200000 miles. My 1998 Tdi we got with only 87000 and it has been the best car ever and costed less over its life than my other "cheap" cars. I'm starting to think there maybe something to buying a less used daily driver. Or maybe I'm trying to talk myself into a new Benz. If you think about it , a wvo experiment should be done in a newer car cause the controls are better.
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:08 PM
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They are cheaper with 150k miles and at this point in time I see them for sale regularly. Mine had 154k on it when I got it in May. It stilled looked like new. Now it has 175k miles. After 10k miles I changed the oil, about 13k I changed the rear tires. I got a large nail in one and they were looking low on tread anywhy. About 19k miles I had to change the motor mounts. That went out all at once. I am due for another oil change at the beginning of the year. I am going to change the fuel filter at that time also.

I looked at 7 cars in person. Two Jeep Liberty CRD's that were $15k and needed work. One 05 CDI that had 88k miles it was black on black and had parts missing and was $19K. One 05 CDI has 156k miles and had carfax issues and a messed up rear fender for $16K with the check engine light on from a dealer, Again NO Thanks. My favorate was a silver 06 with 56k miles, $23k I could not spend that much money. There was a good Blue one for $17,900 from a private owner, who would not give on price it was almost 130k miles and it looked like it need a good detailing. The one I have now was a Mercedes Dealer on the west coast of FL (I am on the east coast) I had been following it for months but looking at things closer the day I decided to drive over they lowered the price and I paid $13,700 plus tax and title work made it almost $15k. Which was what my loan was preapproved for. They had done a reallly good professionial refurbish on it.

If you want to mount a second small tank I would suggest under one of the headlights. That is where I mounted my giant fuel pump and my veg filter and my FPHE. Good Luck
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Thanks. Sounds like a good car. There is one here a charcoal one for 17,000 with 87,000 miles. That seems pretty good but still 4 times what ive ever paid for a car. And a one with about 150,000 for 12500 or so. It be fun to lighten my load and see what I can sell and save to get 12,500.
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Does anybody know how the 05 and 06 due on Bio? What parts if any would need to be changed to run 100% bio?

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You should change your oil more offen if you are running 100% biodiesel. Atleast every 7500 miles. And still use Mobil 1 Euro formula. Other than that it will run fine assuming you make good biodiesel.
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