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Based upon all of your research, you will find out the following no matter what:
1. Proper WVO preparation will ensure long term, trouble free driving; 2. You have to heat it / ideally thin it (cut it) prior to combustion; 3. The "chemistry" of burning WVO will leave behind some 'junk'; 4. It is a calculated risk to burn WVO and the money you save can be applied to your next engine; 5. These are old engines and they have a life span, and whenever they fail, it will because of 'normal' issues or WVO issues (or both)-- see #4 above 6. It involves a certain degree of investment of time and money, and it is a continuing investment throughout your time burning WVO; 7. It is a tradeoff process throughout, that is, your time and money for WVO systems, et cet vs. the ease and money for RUG, #2, et cet.; and, 8. The two-tank system is superior. Are the trade-offs worth it? Yes, of course up until you decide to quit. You will read endless comments, articles, threads, and review a ba-zillion pictures. You will see all sorts of countless "tricks" to save money, however, here's another little dirty secret of WVO: It does in fact cost money. You can employ all of your talents, and a ton of time to try to cut or avoid costs, but plan on spending well over $1,000. That's pricing a WVO cleaning system, e.g., centrifuge, motor, et cet. You will need a dedicated refinery space and dedicated storage space (assuming you're burning WVO full-time); plus the pricing for mods and changes to your car (car system); and the biggest cost of all -- your time. Finding WVO can be tough, also. |
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There is NO free lunch, period. Some members love WVO, some loath it so take your pick. Treat it as a hobby, life style, feel good, green energy and you will enjoy doing it. If you cut it with diesel ( 50/50 ) or gas ( 20/80 ) then there is no modification or little modification to the car. I think these old diesel runs better and quieter with WVO or blend. The bottom line is filtering and de-water the WVO the best you can. I do not think the type of oil from restaurant makes any difference IMHO.
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i have a temp sender right before the IP that goes to a gauge in my glovebox so i can see what the IP is seeing at all times. i measured under very heavy insulation and saw the heat loss to be about 10 degrees F using a FLIR camera from the IP sender to the end of the hard lines. to make up for this, I run an 87C t-stat so that the coolant is running in the 190-195 range, and I get oil temps of 190 consistently pre-IP. i'm anti electrical heaters because of additional load on the alternator and the general fire risk. i changed my switch-over switch/sensor from 140F i think it was to 160F to make sure everything was totally up to temp. i insulate the hard lines and completely block the radiator in winter to maintain temp. if it's really cold I cut 10-15% with regular diesel to eliminate any worrying. WVO for me is not to save money, or for the environment...it was and continues to be an incredible learning experience of building modding tweaking etc. if the idea of driving down the road on recycled cooking oil for the sake of doing it does not put a smile on your face, then don't do it! it's not a good way to save money at all if your time is worth anything. my wife and i drove 10k miles around the country on in the '85 WVO gathered from contacts on the frybrid forum in 2010 - just that experience alone was worth all the effort.
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i just think people get really upset because they love these cars and they get trashed because noobs dump oil filtered through blue jeans into the tank blissfully unaware, but with the best of intentions.
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There's so many ways this can go wrong and so few ways it can go right. If you pour enough time money and effort into WVO and don't make any mistakes along the way, you might not kill your engine. There are a few people that do this successfully over the long term but I think the majority just end up as parts cars on Craigslist that are "WVO ready yay!" I'd rather just buy renewable diesel and never have to worry about it.
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aside: i homebrewed biodiesel for a while as well. same rules apply. easy to do, hard to do well. that made running WVO look easy by comparison.
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when I did it I bought a thermo switch to cut line heaters off at 180,I also ran a temp gauge next to injector lines.I had a extra fuel pump in the trunk to push both veg,and diesel to engine.
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I have a self priming lift pump to stitch into that system at some point when I get a chance.
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To be reliable and have little trouble with your engine, make sure it runs perfect on diesel first. Use a 2 tank system (frybrid style), use clean dry oil and it will perfrorm flawlessly with out trouble. Also to save money on filters and provide more heat to wvo, plumb system in a controlled loop 3 valve system. I had my head off after 60,000 on oil for blown head gasket, and I couldn't tell it ran wvo. The head gasket failure was unrelated to wvo. See my sig for wvo conversion.
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Mine was a manual system,I had a boat tank in the trunk,I ran my diesel tank fuel line into the trunk,and used a water hose garden splitter,backwards,ran a veg line on the other side,then fuel pump,to push either fuel back down to fuel line.At engine,I used a line after primary filter to a 5 micron filter that had two intakes and outlets,plugged one out let,and ran fuel to fuel coolant heater,from there to lift pump,then injection line heaters from fattywagons.com ,return line I used a valve to loop fuel when running veg,it returned into other 5 micron fuel filter inlet.I smiply, switched valves back to diesel when close to home.
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This is what you don't want to do, I don't believe it is reliable or provide properly heated fuel to the engine. Will it run, yes, how long ??
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bull its oil was 180 f,hotter than most systems
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My engine coolant doesn't even get to 180f most days. I wonder what a constantant 180f fuel supply does to the injection pump.
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