Tesla Model 3 for longevity? - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

vstech · #16 07-09-2017, 11:46 AM

Um... diesel?

kendogg · #17 07-09-2017, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Diseasel300

Actually our electric usage has INCREASED due to population increase and more usage of electric powered tools, electronics, and machinery. The problem is that the grid is NOT increasing in size or capacity, quite the opposite. They keep closing "dirty" power plants, but not replacing that capacity with anything considered as a "base load".

For what it's worth, I live in Texas which has one of the lowest electric rates in the country. The electric rate is only 6.5¢/KWh, but when you add in the taxes, line fees, administration fees, and other crap that's attached to your bill, guess what - 10¢/KWh. Check YOUR math and find out what you're doing wrong. Throw out any "rebates" or other con games and tell us what your electric rate REALLY is.

Month of May 2017, I used 1273 KWh. My total bill was $147. Thats ~11.4 cents per KW/h. My power company is a co-op, and my bill does not specify any rates, but they do have a dedicated EV program:

https://www.jacksonemc.com/home-manage-my-account/residential-rates/residential-plug-electric-vehicle-service-schedule-apev-17

TimFreeh · #18 07-09-2017, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sixto

......" Do Teslas mind not moving for half a year?

They'll do just fine as long as you leave them plugged into the grid. Remember Li-on batteries require heating and cooling to keep the batteries happy, as I recall a Tesla parked in a garage and not driven 1 inch requires 4-6kw/hr per day in energy usage just to sit there.

TimFreeh · #19 07-09-2017, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kendogg

Month of May 2017, I used 1273 KWh. My total bill was $147. Thats ~11.4 cents per KW/h. My power company is a co-op, and my bill does not specify any rates, but they do have a dedicated EV program:

https://www.jacksonemc.com/home-manage-my-account/residential-rates/residential-plug-electric-vehicle-service-schedule-apev-17

Pretty close to the national average which I think is .12 kw/hr which I think is what I used for my calculations

edge · #20 07-09-2017, 12:20 PM

Well, the most important issue with the Bolt is that it takes forever to charge. It is impractical to take it on a road trip. Who wants a car that can only travel 235 when there is no charging network? And style, who wants a Bolt when you can drive a Tesla Model 3? The base price of a Model 3 will be comparable to the BMW 3 Series (which 2016 sales were down 25% in 2016! as consumers wait for the M3), Mercedes C Class and the Audi 4 and fuel is 1/3 the cost with a drivetrain that will last exponentially longer. I think this is a huge game changer which is what the stock market is telling us. Ford and GM's stock price has been going down for 4 years while car sales have been in record territory the last few years. A disruptive change is going to come whether you personally will welcome the change.

dcraigk · #21 07-09-2017, 01:32 PM

No charging network? I looked on PlugShare.com and there are fast charging stations all over Connecticut.

There is a balance between charging rate and battery longevity. Batteries charged slower last longer. Model 3 batteries may charge faster than the Bolt EV but they probably won't last as long. The Tesla and the public fast charging network charge rates are't all that different.

The Bolt and the Model 3 are city commuter cars. At these current miles per charge neither is a good road trip car.

TimFreeh: Can you please reference where you found the Tesla will loose 4-6000 watts per day? That's a huge amount. All I've found on the internet is 3-6 miles per day and that should be somewhere about 1000 watts, plus or minus.

Has anyone commenting here owned an electric car?

edge · #22 07-09-2017, 01:36 PM

dcraigk, what about the all important cost and speed of charging on plugshare? Again charging speed and cost are primary issues.

dcraigk · #23 07-09-2017, 01:40 PM

You were talking about the Bolt EV on a road trip. My mentioning PlugShare was only about using the fast charging network when on a road trip. Most of the time you should be plugging in at home with a 240V home charger.

edge · #24 07-09-2017, 01:46 PM

Perhaps a used Model S for $40k is the way to go as you get free fuel for life.

Squiggle Dog · #25 07-09-2017, 02:35 PM

I've seen a LOT of Tesla 4-door sedans here in Arizona--mostly in the Scottsdale area. It seems that 1/4 of the cars on the road are Teslas there (and the rest are Mercedes, Maseratis, and Land Rovers).

What's interesting is that in the po-dunk town of Buckeye (off the freeway connecting Phoenix to Los Angeles), there is a big Tesla charging station at the Carl's Jr. I used to deliver Propane out there because they don't have access to natural gas and everyone uses propane for heating and cooking. But they have a big Tesla charging station.

sixto · #26 07-09-2017, 02:54 PM

I remember 20 years ago when the mood of being in a 'remote' location was ruined by a passing UPS truck. Now I regularly see Teslas (but no other EVs) on I-5 in the Central Valley and the 108/120 to Yosemite. They're charging somewhere. I'm sure I'll see a Tesla towing [electric] jet skis soon. Or with skis headed for Tahoe in winter.

Sixto
98 E320s sedan and wagon

tyl604 · #27 07-09-2017, 05:47 PM

I recently developed a small three story office building in Atlanta. Put two free charging stations in it.

Squiggle Dog · #28 07-09-2017, 07:26 PM

My roommate works at the Sprouts Farmers Market support office in Scottsdale, Arizona and the parking garage has charging stations.

Dubyagee · #29 07-09-2017, 08:37 PM

Ive been interested in the 3. That and a battery wall would be ideal. Charge the car and house off peak. Two hours of active power use in the morning and five or six in the afternoon then charge off peak.

tjts1 · #30 07-09-2017, 09:01 PM

Some people are awfully desperate to find any negatives to EVs in general, Teslas in particular. It's cute in a sad, pathetic sort of way. I guess the same thing happened toward the end of horse and buggy days.