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Old 12-20-2007, 04:27 AM
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water leaking into car via windshield

When I bought my car, I did not realize that the body wasn't quite straight. It was (is) the first car I ever bought. I wasn't used to looking at the body of a car, so I just didn't notice. I rode my bike, a bus, a train, or hitchhiked until I was 22, so there was no need to care or think of cars whatsoever (except when passing in traffic). This is because while trying to learn to drive (stick) when I was 17, I ran into a pole. My foot thought the gas pedal was the brake pedal!! yikes!! To my credit, there were two screaming children in the backseat and an aggressively encouraging stepmother in the passenger seat right before it happened. Sorry, I seem to be digressing a lot....back to the matter...
car body not straight, windshield also came cracked with the car. It looks like it's worse than when I bought it. It's leaking water like crazy into the car!! I'm sure it's coming from the crack. This didn't happen last year with the same crack, it must have gotten worse somehow. Is there anything I can do, temporarily besides covering it every time I park it? Any ideas? I also would like to know if, because the body isn't quite straight, replacing the front glass would be affected. I'm thinking that the seal around the window wouldn't seal properly without glue like it's supposed to. I was also thinking that the glass might break more easily again if the body weren't straightened.
Can anyone direct me?

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Old 12-20-2007, 11:34 AM
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What do you mean "the body isn't quite straight?" Has it been hit and repaired poorly?
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Old 12-20-2007, 11:43 AM
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Your problem may be completely unrelated to the crooked body. I hang on to my cars a long time. Half of them developed annoying leaks around the windshield. The seal gets old a brittle and simply needs to be redone.
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Old 12-20-2007, 12:01 PM
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It's leaking water like crazy into the car!! I'm sure it's coming from the crack. This didn't happen last year with the same crack, it must have gotten worse somehow. Is there anything I can do, temporarily besides covering it every time I park it? Any ideas?
There are other, more common, places for it to leak. Are you sure its coming from the crack? If the crack isn't in your sight line, you can try a tiny, tiny bead of clear silicone on the inside of the crack to seal it.

These cars have a pretty common windshield water leak where the water leaks around the edge of the glass -- the gasket acts like an inverted siphon. Sometimes (like on my car) it doesn't leak until it sits in the rain for a while, but once it starts, that inverted siphon effect can transport quite a bit of water into the car in a fairly short time. One repair is to run a bead of silicone around that edge -- make sure both gasket edge and glass are clean as it needs to bond well to both to work.

Also, if some of the screws holding the front rain gutters on are missing or loose, water can use those holes to enter the pillar and then leak into the cabin.

My car had both of these leaks.
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Old 12-20-2007, 05:03 PM
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The way I found out my leak was the windshield seal itself was to have my wife run the hose on the windshield and I stuck my head under the dash. Got it redone, and hasn't leaked since. Can you get any pics of the unstraight body?
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Old 12-20-2007, 05:13 PM
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What do you mean "the body isn't quite straight?"
Maybe it's bi-sexual.
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Old 12-20-2007, 06:46 PM
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Hinge Pockets

Sarah,

I've had the same problem with my 240D. Open your hood all the way by pulling out the tiny stops on the hood hinge (I'll post PICS soon). The hood will to a 90 degree angle with the ground. Use a flash light to inspect the pockets that the hinges nest in when the hood is closed. You should see a drainage hole that will drain the rain water down to your wheel well. Mine were plugged up with tiny hard seeds. I used a straightened out wire hanger to pry, prod and push the seeds out of the hole. This may help!

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Old 12-20-2007, 09:32 PM
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If you have a sunroof, it could also be a rusted drain tube.
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Windshields are made with laminated glass. Two layers of glass with a very tough flexible stuff in between. For water to get in through a crack, the windshield would have to be very broken. More likely it's getting in past a bad seal or rusted spots under the hood hinges. Those drain holes get plugged with leaves and junk if not kept clean.
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Old 12-21-2007, 02:54 AM
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Windshields are made with laminated glass. Two layers of glass with a very tough flexible stuff in between. For water to get in through a crack, the windshield would have to be very broken. More likely it's getting in past a bad seal or rusted spots under the hood hinges. Those drain holes get plugged with leaves and junk if not kept clean.
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Your point about the laminated glass is excellent. One would practically have to have a hole in the windshield for water to make it to the interior through the windshield itself. Around the windshield is another matter, as are the rust prone areas and drains.

I'm nowhere near my car, so I can't be of much assistance, but why don't some of us post some pictures of these specific areas to help Sarah out?

Sarah, hang in there. We'll work through helping you figure out exactly where water is getting in, and just how to get it to stop leaking. I'm curious, as are others, as to whether you can provide pictures of your 240D. We menfolk are pretty visual, you know. A photo of the windshield and body damage of which you speak could be very useful for diagnostic purposes, too.

Even if you lack a camera, perhaps a friend, family member, or acquaintance has a cell phone camera that they could use to document the car, and could then e-mail the photos to you.
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Old 12-21-2007, 03:03 AM
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Check the insurance policy

A replacement windshield will most likely be covered under the "comprehensive" portion of the car's insurance policy, if you have that coverage in force and effect on your policy that you bought.

there are auto glass companies that will come to your house, but pick the BEST not the most convenient one to do the work. You don't want adjustments made later, right? Beest to have it done right the first time.. Many have "lifetime guarantees" on their work...

All you will need to pay is your insurance deductible amount, whatever that is. The insurance company willl take care of the rest of the cost

Take care of it as soon as possible, though, because the water that doesn't drain out will cause rust quickly. (If for some reason you can't I would actually considering drilling a tiny hole in the floorboard, to let the water drain out into the street, rather than sit there, encouraging rust on the floorboard, and mold and mildew in the carpets.)
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water dripping on my foot

I have cleaned my hood hinge drains and thought that solved my wet floor mat mystery, but here in FL it rains like 6 inches in an hour sometimes, and I get severe water on my floor mats front and back.

This week I felt water dripping on my shoe (right) when I was driving in the rain.

Since it is leaking on both sides, original windshield, should I start looking at windshield seal, or sunroof drain.... Does a leaking seal bring the water in low to the floorboard? I stuck my head under the dash, but without removing the lower dash cover, I didn't see much.
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Old 01-02-2008, 06:15 PM
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In my '85 300D, I also had water dripping on my left foot when it rained. Never did find out exactly, but figured the windshield seal. The rear one leaked on three of the 123's Ive owned. Look in the trunk after a rain.
You may be able to stop the leak by using a tube sealant of some sort, only till you can get a new windshield and seal.
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Old 01-02-2008, 10:31 PM
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If you have a sunroof, it could also be a rusted drain tube.
I was under the impression that the drain tubes were all rubber. Not that rubber ones couldn't leak, too. I saw a tool in the Harbor Freight tool catalog for a thing like a tiny plumber's snake small enough to clean out clogged sunroof drains. haven't bought one yet, but I'm thinking it wouldn't be a bad idea.
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Old 01-02-2008, 10:57 PM
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It's very easy to fix. You need to get a windshield stretcher that is special for the curvature of the W123 windshield. I think ZDMAK has a special on them on fleabay right now.

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