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Old 04-04-2005, 11:54 PM
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Body work & rust repair 124 chassis

Here is an example of a guy who did some nice body work on a German 124 chassis car.

From eBay Deutschland:

http://stadt.heim.at/london/160069/W124-Restauration.htm

http://stadt.heim.at/london/160069/17_Zoll_AMG.htm

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=18220&item=4528004573&rd=1
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Old 04-05-2005, 12:20 AM
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That is some nice work. There are people here that can do the same, it's just that no person in this hemisphere can afford to have it done.

There are things on every vehicle I have that could use the attention of a good B&F guy, problem is, not a one of these vehicles is worth as much as the B&F work would cost!

$1,000 and up for two little dollar sized rust spots. That's the cheap place.
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Old 04-05-2005, 11:26 AM
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Rust Repair

I was considering making a post on the subject of rust when I happened to notice this one.

I have a 1987 300D with 150,000 miles on it which I love.
I've always been anticipating that I would have a complete paint job done.

Well, recently I was rear ended, and went to a reputable body shop for repair, and when asking about a complete paint job the technician pointed out rust underneath the paint near the windshield. He said once there is rust, which he guessed extended beyond the spot, that there is nothing that a repair person can do. This stupefied me and depressed me given that I live in California and this is a California car. I thought one of the benefits of leaving Chicago (the rust belt) was that I was leaving rust behind.

Any comments, suggestions, or help?

Thanks,

Taichi
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Old 04-05-2005, 11:46 AM
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Body work is an art. I have done a few straight panel repairs and found out why it costs so much. It is severely labor intensive and for curves, like the ones in the photos, you have to have the patience of Job and lighting is critical. If there is a technical college near you, they might have a course for such things to help get your feet wet.

BTW, I like those lighted sill panels.
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Old 04-05-2005, 11:49 AM
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Not unusual to have to remove windshield to repair rust damage on flange area underneath rubber. But your right I would not expect to see it in california. This type of rust is common in rustbelt areas. So if spending some time in salt country try to get another opinion while there. Also might even be worth asking around your area for another shop that may be more receptive to your problem. There are body guys and there are real body guys.It is probably repairable especially if it is your primary concern with your car. As for depressing if you had to tackle one of my cars bodies that comes to mind medication would be required. Just a matter of perspective really. Seems to be relatively minor to me from my perspective. Perhaps I should drive that really rusty car I own to california and charge admission to view? Yet it is still properly repairable if I want to spend the time and money.

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Old 04-05-2005, 12:26 PM
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I was considering making a post on the subject of rust when I happened to notice this one.

I have a 1987 300D with 150,000 miles on it which I love.
I've always been anticipating that I would have a complete paint job done.

Well, recently I was rear ended, and went to a reputable body shop for repair, and when asking about a complete paint job the technician pointed out rust underneath the paint near the windshield. He said once there is rust, which he guessed extended beyond the spot, that there is nothing that a repair person can do. This stupefied me and depressed me given that I live in California and this is a California car. I thought one of the benefits of leaving Chicago (the rust belt) was that I was leaving rust behind.

Any comments, suggestions, or help?

Thanks,

Taichi
what the guy REALLY means is that he can't do it and/or not for what any sane person would spend. I don't like body work, I really have to do some this year if I keep Blue like I want to. I can do some simple repairs, but I'm no artist. Still amazes me the work my Uncle used to do. He'd take cars that were totaled and make 1 good one out of 2 totals. You could go under the hood, trunk, and underneath and still not see evidence. There just can't be more than a handful of guys left that can do anything like that anymore
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Old 04-05-2005, 01:08 PM
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That makes two of us. I have to expend time for experience in many cases. The end result is usually pretty good but I also own all the required gear and fully realise it would be almost impossible to replace today and certainly I would not buy it just to do one or two cars. On the otherhand still believe not everyone out there takes advantage of every situation that comes along. That may depend on where you live to some extent of course and your accumulated life experiences. Example: removal and reinstallation of windshield in my area with new seal about 100-125 american. Repair of affected area not known but if only primary surface rust not too bad. perhaps as little as 100.00 american in my area. Then car is ready to go in for a standard paint job. Our local prices may be very substandard though as too many american owned antique and classic cars are turning up for total or partial restoration in our area in the last five years. (Pete: say I have straightened out a badly wrinkled quarter panel that I just cannot find a replacement for. I lack the skill to work a panel seven feet long for the thin coating of fill that i have to use to provide final shape and contour. I make up a tool say a six foot flexible sanding board and use good belt sanding paper on it. Handle on each end and sometimes even two of us using the board. Thats the only way i can get it right. Working with tools about a foot long would take me forever and after someone might detect the repair. Just try to use imagination and time to replace lack of strong skill in that area and agree bodywork is more like an art form.)

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Old 04-13-2005, 04:40 PM
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Thanks for all the info

I want to thank all of the respondents to this thread for their advice.

It turns out that my 300D, currently at an auto body shop for repair after being rear-ended, only has surface rust along the windshield. The man who originally eyeballed it, and predicted deeper, endemic rust, has pulled away from his original, gloomy appraisal.

In the meantime I heard about a place called CarNation, very near to where I live, which is supposed to be quite good. I happen to read about this place in a magazine called Car Craft. Apparently the man who runs the place is a real pro and enthusiast. He uses DuPont paint rather than the two, more common German Mercedes paints.

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Old 04-13-2005, 04:54 PM
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Pete,

It doesn't matter that he is using Dupont. If CarNation is a good facility, you will get a good paintjob with Dupont. The major manufacturers of paint are so close in quality to each other that who uses what brand is a moot point. My 2 cents. Good luck.

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