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Old 11-13-2005, 12:01 PM
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Exclamation EPA plans to restrict auto paint sales

As if collecting classic and antique cars is not tough enough, they are going to punish us, if we paint our own cars.

http://www.cadillaclasalleclub.org/cgi-bin/user/forum.cgi?select=%2Fclc%2Fclcgenl%2F74067

I better stock up for repainting my diesels, since they outlive the factory paint and clear coat.
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Old 11-13-2005, 12:05 PM
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Yea, I am a subscriber to Hemmings Motor email newsletter and kinda hated to see that. Not so much for myself (I don't do body work) but for some friends of mine.
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Old 11-13-2005, 12:14 PM
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I've painted cars before, and I'm sure I'll need to again in the future. This is getting out of hand. It's bad enough I've had to watch the price of paint go up from $10/qt to $48/qt. Now I'll have to watch out for the "painting police" when I shoot my cars on my driveway. Is it that big a problem for me to paint a car every three years?

Yet we're still allowed to barbeque...go figure!!!
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Old 11-13-2005, 01:04 PM
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From that site :

"The EPA is planning to implement a national rule which will require a license to be able purchase and use automotive finishes. This means the days of doing your own restoration will soon be over.
The main push behind this law is from the Body Shop Assoc. Their argument is, they are forced to comply with all of the EPA regulations and garages and backyard shops are not.Therefor it creates an unfair situation(it's a very good argument). So the EPA has devised this plan to answer their cries. Hobbyist(us) will be forced to have all of their refinishing performed by licensed body shops. "

I am glad that the Body Shop Association was honest in stating its motives.. it is time that all these money motivated laws be taken off the books.
Most regulatory or professional organizations are not out to improve anything other than the pocket books of THEIR members...

As an agricultural person ( farmer ) I am required to take courses in chemicals and the laws which govern them.... and to keep records of what I spray and the conditions at the time... I have no problem with that.... and for the record I use only two... 2-4-d.. the most used hormone in the world... and glycosophate...generic Roundup which has no residual soil activity....

MY COMPLAINT ? City dwellers can go and buy pesticides and herbicides even if they have an IQ of 60 and can't read... and sure don't have to keep any records... and the application of too much fertilizer on yards of city dwellers trying to be greener than their neighbor is a major reason that phosphates were taken out of soaps..... which was the main ingrediant which actually CLEANED stuff...

But do you think anyone of those agencies has any intention of trying to address the overuse and maluse by city dwellers ? There would be an uprising....no, they can require it of us and enforce it... so they do that.. even though they will all agree to the facts I have stated about where the abuses happen.
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From that site :

"The EPA is planning to implement a national rule which will require a license to be able purchase and use automotive finishes. This means the days of doing your own restoration will soon be over.
The main push behind this law is from the Body Shop Assoc. Their argument is, they are forced to comply with all of the EPA regulations and garages and backyard shops are not.Therefor it creates an unfair situation(it's a very good argument). So the EPA has devised this plan to answer their cries. Hobbyist(us) will be forced to have all of their refinishing performed by licensed body shops. "

I am glad that the Body Shop Association was honest in stating its motives.. it is time that all these money motivated laws be taken off the books.
Most regulatory or professional organizations are not out to improve anything other than the pocket books of THEIR members...

As an agricultural person ( farmer ) I am required to take courses in chemicals and the laws which govern them.... and to keep records of what I spray and the conditions at the time... I have no problem with that.... and for the record I use only two... 2-4-d.. the most used hormone in the world... and glycosophate...generic Roundup which has no residual soil activity....

MY COMPLAINT ? City dwellers can go and buy pesticides and herbicides even if they have an IQ of 60 and can't read... and sure don't have to keep any records... and the application of too much fertilizer on yards of city dwellers trying to be greener than their neighbor is a major reason that phosphates were taken out of soaps..... which was the main ingrediant which actually CLEANED stuff...

But do you think anyone of those agencies has any intention of trying to address the overuse and maluse by city dwellers ? There would be an uprising....no, they can require it of us and enforce it... so they do that.. even though they will all agree to the facts I have stated about where the abuses happen.
And us citidiots are buying up fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, and tons of other chemicals then dumping them on the lawn which drains right back into our drinking water, the environment, etc. Just so our McMansions will have nice pretty green lawns so the neighbors won't look at us funny. But if you want to be in the "keepin' up with the Jones'" clique that's the protocol. I say f that.
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I smell an r-12 cause... Based on bogus science, and most likely less damaging then the (as said) lawn care crap that most everybody uses (myself included)............... Dammit, the laqure stuff is the most durable right? I want to paint my car eventually, but I dont know anybody who can repaint it correctly yet. If I were to buy some paint "for safe keeping" how long does it keep, and what kind's the most durable (and avalibal in GREEN)

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Any 8th grade lawyer could beat these guys in court. It is just a big money grab they don't want you or small (non union) shops working on their own cars and that means big money for them. All a good lawyer has to do is bring that up and also that the same laws already apply to everyone. They are just trying to squash the little guy like all good liberals do through government regulation and phoney trumped up environmental claims.... Indy

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I wonder how much of a "campaign contribution" it cost them to get this legislation introduced?
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Old 11-13-2005, 04:09 PM
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Next thing they are going to make it illegal to wash out own cars....


And people wonder why I reffer to them as the Environazis allong with certain "green" groups...
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Wow, have to love government stepping in on more and more activities...
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I better stock up for repainting my diesels, since they outlive the factory paint and clear coat.
Wouldn't hurt to stock up anyway, whunter ... prices will be negatively affected by crude oil $$$$$$$$ as it is.
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I perfer to call them Environmental Cases... We actually think like the majority. Why should a fringe group of people be able to shake us down using our legislators.. I say keep an eye if the actual vote ever comes up just like the alaska oil thing who ever votes in favor of the paint Regulations or like in the other issue: keeping competition out of the oil industry by not letting them drill in alaska vote them out... They are the fringe and need to be dispersed from office accordingly... Indy

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Old 11-13-2005, 04:56 PM
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This ban would simply create another black market.

On a similar note, This reminds me of the time 20 years ago, where I wanted to buy pins to rekey some tumblers. At the time we had three Chryslers that was shared among family members. Rather than carrying three sets of keys in my pocket, I would only need to carry one set that would fit all three vehicles. The locksmith told me I had to be a licensed locksmith to purchase tumbler pins!......Why???.... It wasn't a question of security if you want to change the pins in a tumbler!! It was an obvious policy to exclude others from their trade and make more business.

Same story when I went to buy an electric ignitor for my furnace.
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Black Market = Free market... plain and simple...

Regulation by legislators just shows their contempt for the average person. They think we are all just a bunch of idiots and have no idea how to do things for ourselves. In their minds we are unqualified to make every day rational decisions.. They think they are appointed by some higher authority to do it for us.. I say Get rid of them in the next election... Indy
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We can talk all we want, but we have to contact our congress and senators to let them know exactly how we feel... We are the majority, not some auto body workers special interest group. Call today and also vote thats the only way to make a difference... Indy
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