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Old 05-01-2004, 10:17 PM
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they are the same thing as Holson Adi bought from best buy. pioneer usually makes quality speakers. thats what im going to replace mine with.
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Old 05-01-2004, 11:38 PM
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http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2569447&cat=38981&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3947%3A96481%3A38981
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I believe those speakers that you gave the link are for the rear deck. what are you replacing the front with? Thanks
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Old 05-02-2004, 09:39 PM
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this is going to be a updated topic for me...

while still in highschool i did the following, now that college is over and the car is mechanically brand new the stereo may be upgraded this summer as a fun easy projec...

as for now...
i have a set of six inch minisubs in the first aid kit - amp in trunk they are ran on relayed switch from the center council...
all factory sized sony xplode speakers with two more 5 1/4s in junkyard pulled lower kickpanels under the dash, better front cabin bass

much like Kyle Blackmore the rear deck needed to be trimmed...

i am not a fan of large subs in the trunk

as wolf_walker said the back deck carpet can be in pretty bad shape...mine is not in bad shape just faded...so my summer (one of many) project was to build and vacform out of .250 or so, maybe thicker abs plastic a rear deck that would house larger speakers like 6x9s and also enclose the rear tail lamp....the only large concern is covering the plastic with a carpet or such or leaving the blastic the crushed black look? i have to make it and see...also if it squeeks or rattles it has to go, foam pad tape and such might help...just an idea...

well thats my set up

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Old 05-02-2004, 11:26 PM
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update from me:

I had an all stock setup from the becker europa through the paper speakers that were stock. I added in a kenwood WOOX self enclosed and powered sub in the rear drivers side footwell. Was nice sound, but I thought that I wanted a bit better sound in the front.

I got a set of pioneer ts-a1057 speakers, as they are a nice model. I just installed them today. Theyre a little high, but i have a dash coverlay, so I dont have to screw the speaker grilles in all the way in order to have it look good; in fact, the grilles look more flush with my dash coverlay now.

These speakers definitely have clearer sound, but I am not sure if theyre really right for the dash location. The really nice tweeter I believe bounces a bit too much off the windshield, making treble a bit too much/too sharp. Turn it down via the radio, and then the poor sound controls on the 21 year old radio kind of distort the sound. Bias the sound to the rear, and it sounds better, but then there isnt enough high-end.

I think itll just take a bit more tweaking to find it right. with the car off, it sounds really good, I think the actual issue is the sound contamination from road noise, etc.

And I think my ears are sensitive from trying to listen too hard today when working on it. If I rest them overnight, Ill probably get a better grasp of how good the sound actually is. (yes, ears need rest too!)

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Old 05-03-2004, 08:43 AM
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I don't imagine the OEM headunit is going to push any "good" aftermarket speakers, and contrairy to popular belief, UNDERpowering a speaker will kill it as fast or faster than overpowering it. Not to mention it will soud less than ideal.

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I question your assertion that underpowering a speaker will destroy it!
Speakers are underpowered for most of the time. This happens at low volume levels, during quiet periods of music and especially when the equipment is turned off.
The biggest single cause of speaker damage (>90% in my experience) has been OVERDRIVING of the speaker. This is followed by mechanical damage and then by faults in the amplifier allowing DC current to flow excessively thru the speaker coil.
I have been working in the electronics industry for 35 years and have never heard of speaker damage by UNDERPOWERING.
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Old 05-15-2004, 08:20 PM
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I have a pair of OEM front speakers for the 123 if anyone would like to buy them. I bought 4 hoping they would fit rear also, but didn't. Hey they sound great with stock radio. $30 for the pair and I'll pay shipping.
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Old 05-15-2004, 08:43 PM
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no,underpowering would never hurt them
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Old 05-15-2004, 09:51 PM
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I don't know about full range speakers
but I do know with subwoofers if you
underpower them you will damage them.

Like my kicker solobaric 15L7, it is rated
at 1000W RMS but if you feed it only 200watts,
you can and will damage it.
To be just right you would need something more
like a 1100w amplifier since TonyFromWestOz is
right that music is transient, so only on bass notes
will the full potential of the amlifier be needed.
So if you have 50w RMS speakers then a 60w amp
would be ideal and no, you will not be overpowering
them if you don't turn the gain up all the way.
It is not a volume knob.

RMS=continuous power.
Peak Power=short bursts of power.

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Old 05-18-2004, 04:33 AM
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i was the lab rat.

i just bought a pair of the pioneer speakers from walmart,installed them and am pleased as punch. they sound really good. my advice:buy them if you want good sound and dont have alot of money to spend.
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Old 05-18-2004, 04:05 PM
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Re: Any 4" in dash will fit?

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Hi all, I'm not ready to change the Becker original unit but all my speakers are shot. Three different calls to Crutchfield and three diffrent answers (usally they are pretty good). So, keeping everything stock (no cutting and such), anyone have a drop-in, better-sounding speaker referal?
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I have two new left over OEM MB speakers in a box for the dash speaker replacement. I put two of those same speakers in my 240D and they sound great, but I don't need the other two as they don't fit the back speaker hole. If your interested I sell both for $30 shipped.
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no,underpowering would never hurt them
The idea is that if you 'underpower' a speaker you will have to clip your amp to get a descent volume level. Clipping is essentially DC which can damage a speaker. Hence you CAN damage a speaker by underpowering it (and clipping your amplifier). You can definitely blow a '25Watt' speaker with a '10Watt' amplifier... of course this scales up as well.

A larger amplifier should help you to reach a desired volume without clipping (and without damage to the speaker).

As for the orginal post request, I have upgraded front and rear speakers to the MBQuart Q-series (QM100KNS front, QM130KNS rears). Fronts were ~$50 on eBay; rears were ~$60. Beats the Walmart speakers any day of the week (note that these speakers do require the use of an external amp for the reasons mentioned above coupled with the fact that they aren't very efficient).

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Old 05-19-2004, 03:22 AM
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did i mention the walmarts were PIONEER?
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Old 05-19-2004, 07:52 AM
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Man I'm going to be stuck with the OEM speakers for ever.
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Old 05-19-2004, 10:28 AM
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The idea is that if you 'underpower' a speaker you will have to clip your amp to get a descent volume level. Clipping is essentially DC which can damage a speaker. Hence you CAN damage a speaker by underpowering it (and clipping your amplifier). You can definitely blow a '25Watt' speaker with a '10Watt' amplifier... of course this scales up as well.

A larger amplifier should help you to reach a desired volume without clipping (and without damage to the speaker).

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In the case you offer, any damage is not caused by under powering the speaker, it is caused by the fool who turned up the wick until the amp distorted so much. Even in this case, it would be more likely for the amp to die than stock MB speakers to suffer damage from the stock radio.
This would be a very unusual case.

More speakers are blown up by 100W amps than by 5W amps.
Usually by the same fool who wound the wick up until the speaker coils were pushed too far out of the magnet and jammed going back in.
The original radio had more than enough volume with the stock speakers.
Modern speakers require to be driven by powerful amplifiers because their efficiency is very low.

BTW, Police in Oz are now issuing infringement notices for people who have the music (?) too loud while driving.
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