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Old 09-04-1999, 11:43 PM
Chris Ecklund
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Well after posting, debating, RESEARCHING, and shopping around, I finally tackled my new babies first waxing!!

Heres what I did.

1. Washed the car 4 times in the last 3 days..., last wash before waxing was with Meguires Car Wash stuff, very nice pink stuff.

2. I bought a Simonize Orbiter Polisher, that only rotates around 2,500 rpm, versus the 7-8,000 I have seen on other brands. I have read that if it is to fast, it could burn or leave swirl marks. This polisher has a 10" pad, with a foam applicater, that seems to work very well. It aslo comes with 2 10" cotton pads, that are a royal pain in the but to put on, so I scrapped that idea, and polished by hand, with terry towels, that are 100 percent cotton? They seem to bring up the shine very nicely.

I went to the meguires banner ad at the top of the page, and put my car to their test, and like I learned through this site, I initially bought the wrong stuff, I originally bought # 2&3. This apparaently is to strong for my car.

So after listing to you guys, and from Meguires themselves, I bought #7, and have started to use that tonight. I washed the car around 6 p.m, then put it in the garage, then started around 11 p.m. The car was nice and cool now.

WOW! I thought the car was nice before hand, but that #7 makes black look even blacker!

Tommorow I hope to finish the entire car with #7, then if time permits(oh yeah, Monday is a holiday)I will put #26 on .

It has been years since I waxed a car, and the first time that I used a polisher. I have to admit I was a little worried on how the paint would look after using the polisher, but even though it was dark in the garage, I can not even see a hint of a swirl mark. Actually, in holding up the trouble light to the paint, you can see how the polish actaully seems to have taken away some of the streaks that where in it before.
In comparing two door panels, the un-polished door looks grey and cloudy compared to the polished one.

Even though it was dark in the garage, with the lights in the right spot, it was very easy and maybe easier to see where I missed a spot. Maybe at night it is easier that in the daylight.(black car remember)

My HInt: Go easy on the polish, I used to much at one point.

I have only done 40 percent of the car, and have already went through 5 towels, clean counts!

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Old 09-05-1999, 04:00 PM
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Chris,
For best results, ease of use, and eventual sanity of the detailer...try using 100% cotton terrycloth towels to remove most of the polish or wax in sort of a "quick once over", then go over the areas with a 100% cotton diaper cloth to get it the rest of the way to perfection. The terry has enough nap to pull off large amounts of #7 or wax, while the diaper is great for getting everthing perfect. Using those two in tandem seems to work every bit as well as a orbital buffer. BTW, after you polish the car with #7 you will not need to work too hard on the wax as #7 leaves the finish ready for waxing. Sounds like your on the right track and doing a great job.

Keep up the hard work....Lee

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Old 09-06-1999, 12:42 AM
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The towels are 100 percent Cotton Terrycloth on further inspection I noted. What I did not know is that the two are actually together, I thought "terrycloth" was a different thing than "cotton".

I used 8 towels on the first waxing with #7, and had to do a load of washing to continue to the next step, being #26.

During the time that I finished with #7, I had to put the car outside, and in being in a new survey, within 10 minutes there was a fine layer of "dirt" on the finish. I tries to blow it off with the air compressor, but there was a small layer of "dust dirt" left on it. I tried a little experiment here, knowing that what happened would... I tried just lightly brushing off the dirt with a towel, but no go, it even left some small scratches, dirt can be quite abrasive.(remember black car). So away I went and washed the car again, this time just spraying it, and then chamois.

I applied # 26, ( man it smells like banana's) , and it was during my waxing that I noted that the paint was not very smooth after finishing with #7, and actually in comparing two doors, the one finished with #7, looked gray compared to the one finished with #26. Now either they are two totally different animals, or I am just not noticing how good the finish is becoming. Hopefully the later is true. The car is starting to look fabulous, tommorow I plan on finishing it off totally.

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Old 09-06-1999, 11:37 PM
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Well I finished her today, what an improvement

In my kit came a woolskin pad, that I take is for final buffing. I didnt use it, although it is really soft to the touch. Has anyone had any experience with this?

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Old 09-07-1999, 01:28 AM
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Lee, can you specify what a 100% cotton diaper cloth is? Is it a terry cloth towel, an actual cloth diaper (the ones I have have some stiching in them), or a smoother type of cloth?

Recently I purchased some smooth cotton cloths (the package said "lint-free") and have used it successfully on my dash and door skins with Vinylex. Are these suitable for waxing/polishing? Is a terry cloth always preferable or are there situations where a smoother cloth is better?

Chris, I've been following your progress ... your E class must be gemlike by now. Black is one of my favorite colors in that body style (along with silver). I've been awaiting less humidity and a lift on our drought-related car wash ban (no hoses, bucket only ) before really spending a nice afternoon detailing my car. Commercial car washes can remain open here in eastern Pennsylvania, but most of them around here discourage the use of a bucket, and our roads are dirty enough and the car washes far enough away that I'd have a dirty car if I drove home. Any ideas? I really want to get a coat of wax on my car soon. I wonder how well I can wash my car using just a bucket (or two).

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Old 09-07-1999, 07:12 AM
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The real trick of detailing is getting it all done before the enviroment conspires to derail your hard work. If you have to do it in stages then wash in between. The washing will be VERY quick and easy if there is only a fine coating of dust.

Chris,
The #7 is a polish and the #26 is a wax. The panels freshly done with #7 should look better but feel tackier. The #26 goes on over that and should feel glossier while actually reducing appearance by 1%-2%. (all waxes do that, that is why concours cars are not waxed.) If the cotton terry pads/towels are working for you then stick with success.

Robert,
What I mean by 100% cotton diaper cloth is fabric that is flat/smooth in appearance and texture. A fabric that is comprised of 100% cotton threads INCLUDING THE STITCHING that has no "nap" to it. I use a terry to remove most of the wax, polish, etc because the nap removes large amounts easily. However the nap has a bit of difficulty getting that last 5-10% of product off the finish. That is where the diaper comes in. The diaper has no, or virtually no, nap so it is perfect for clean-wiping the final little bit of product (wax, polish, etc) off the finish. The diaper would be a bad choice to remove most of the wax with as it does not pull it off effiently compared to a terry but works great for a final cleanup towards perfection. Sorry to hear about your washing situation. Water is an important lubricant in the detailing process and should not be skimped on if at all possible. Hopefully there is enough wax on the finish to protect it until the ban is relaxed.

Hope this helps...Lee

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Old 09-07-1999, 08:53 PM
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Well today it rained, and I encountered something totally new for me.

It was great to see the water beading off the hood at 120 kph while it was raining, the slippery surface even doubled as an airtunnel, where I could see where the wind travelled the surface area of the hood leading to the windshield. It actually travelled a path I would not think it would, it was nice to see this, as I have never seen this before.

Another startling discovery, is that while it rained only 5 minutes while on the highway, it stopped while I had a few more miles to go.

What the wax job did, was that it was so slippery, the rain simply slid off the entire car, you would not have even known it rained!!.

There was not even a boundary layer evident as usual, in this case all the rain was gone.

Amazing what this Meguires wax can do.

In all my car washes, there was always water marks and streaks left over after a highway run.

Makes me wonder what the co-efficient of drag was reduced to along with the thickness of the boundry layer. Whoops!, wrong message board, this is getting into my other love, aviation.

Thanks to this board I now have a "slippery" benz.




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Old 10-19-1999, 12:58 AM
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I have found a random orbital buffer in my price range, at BJ's Wholesale Club: $35 for a Wen 10", 2.6 amp, 1/2 hp, 3000 rpm. It comes with a 10" foam pad, one plastic backed terry applicator pad, and a terry cloth polishing bonnet. I'm tempted to try the latter with #7, #9 if needed, then #26, on a section that has some oxidation and a little dent (i.e., the worst door on my '84 SD). I'll see if the pad that comes with it does anything bad to my finish. One thing I notice about this buffer (at least indoors) is that it's pretty loud in operation. About as loud as an electric leaf blower.

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Old 10-20-1999, 02:06 AM
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Robert,
Just check out the terry to make sure there is nothing synthetic about the area that contacts the surface of the car. Other than that, it sounds good. You may want to try and pick up some terry/cotton buffer pads as one pad will not last long (not to mention you don't want to mix polish, swirl remover, wax on the same applicator)

In my experience #9 really benefits from buffer use while you only gain a little with #7. Wax seems to do just the same by hand. With any of these...apply by buffer, remove by hand.

Happy detailing...>Lee
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