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Old 03-03-2005, 07:08 PM
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What is the best "swirl" remval paste/wax out there?

Took my Benz to the "Hand Carwash" as they call it and when I got home, I saw a lot of light swirlmarks on the hood which were never there and being that my benz only has 3500 miles. My car wasnt even heavilly soiled. Im never going back to that place again. Did a search and found that Meguiars was what everyone uses but saw some articles and some said it was bad and dangerous and other said it worked fine for them. I want your opinion Guys/gals. Thanks
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Old 03-03-2005, 08:16 PM
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Sorry this is a bit long... but I really do hope it helps you...

The only car washing/care products I own are from Meguiars!

I personally believe that Meguiar's high end products must be used responsibly, really not for the average Joe... (no offence intended )

Meguiars makes a wide variety of products... some are very strong, while some are not...

I have/am using the following:
Meguiar's Deep Crystal system: step 1, paint cleaner
Deep Crystal System: step 2, polish
Showcar Glaze #9
Hot Shine Tire spray
Wheel cleaner
Gold Class Car wax paste(synthetic, no caranuba)
Scratch X

Paste waxes are a little bit more difficult to apply (longer, with more arm effort), but last longer and go on thicker than liquid waxes.

I think that the Deep Crystal system was designed for the average Joe...
It is weak and while still greatly improving the car's shine, gloss, and appearance.. it just does not go the the extreme for me...(at least not anymore). It is a great starter's "kit" and will impress you nonetheless.
I recommend purchasing all three bottles in the system the Deep Crystal Cleaner/Polish/Wax.... unbeatable at $15 for starters! ($4.99 a bottle)

Showcar Glaze #9 is by far the best polish/glaze I have ever used...
The shine is simply brilliant! However, glaze will come off the car within 3 days of sun exposure unless you apply a nice coat of wax on top of it!
Always wax on top of polish and glaze... polish and glaze were not designed to be directly exposed the the elements!

The Gold Class Car wax is very nice, the liquid form applys very easily, and buffs off without too much fuss... however I now only buy the paste form of this wax since pastes in general outlast liquid waxes. Paste wax is harder to put on but like I said before, goes on thicker! From my experience, the liquid form of this wax lasted about 3.5 months and the paste wax lasted about 5 months.

Silicone and caranuba are two different types of wax ingredients.
Both have different properties... I forgot which one does what better.....Caranuba is the strongest natural wax in the world (From Brazil, lol )
(No wax is 100% caranuba, companies lie sometimes to get you to buy their products!)

Scratch X is a swirl and scratch remover... it works by removing an ultra thin coat of clear coat in order to remove the damaged paint and expose a new undamaged coat. Very nice product, but has the potential to destroy the paint if used in newbie hands! (This is why people complain! )

I just bought but have not yet used:
Cleaner wax (paste form, in very pretty tin! )
Kinda weird since the cleaner is supposed to clean the paint while the wax is supposed to go on.... but I will see...

NOW... to answer your question, I recommend that you buy the 3 Deep Crystal bottles and the Showcar Glaze along with FOAM APPLICATOR PADS (looks like a yellow circle, like a hamburger patty at McDonalds, lol), (NOT TERRY CLOTH APPLICATOR PADS)... Foam coats evenly, cloth is rough, microfiber is cool but only for washing and drying.

DON'T TOUCH THE SCRATCH X!
Keep the step 2 bottle of the crystal system on the shelf...
apply the paint cleaner first and then the showcar glaze, all scratches should be mostly gone,maybe even completely!

Then wax!

NEVER TAKE YOU CAR TO THE AUTOMATIC WASHERS, NEVER TAKE YOUR CAR TO THE MAN RUN CASH WASH PLACES..... GRIT BUILDS UP IN THE BUCKETS THEY USE AND THAT GETS GRINDED ALL OVER YOUR PAINT!!!!!
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Old 03-04-2005, 03:39 AM
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What is the best "swirl" remval paste/wax out there?

If you don't mind using a bit of elbow grease and want a long time protection try "Mothers caranuba polish" It's made in the good "Ol US of A" smells lovely, doesn't leave swirl marks and is a wax polish, not a cutting compound. It lasts really well and isn't a problem to apply or remove. Have no problem with the other polish recommended. Basically you pay for what you get. Go cheap and you'll get rubbish. My 2 cents or is that dime in your country?
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Old 03-04-2005, 05:51 PM
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Zaino bros. wax has several waxes but all give good results.
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Old 03-04-2005, 07:38 PM
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The highest about of caranuba that can be used in a wax is 30%. Caranuba in its natural state is hard chips, the more a wax is user freindly the less caranuba is in it.

I have had great success with Meguiar's Gold class past wax, next I will try some of Griots past wax.

Btw claying your finish is the best thing you can do for your paint. With a clay bar and Meguir's three step system I can make even tired paint look good.

I like Meguiars stuff but next week I am going to order a bunch of Griots stuff and give them a try.
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Old 03-05-2005, 07:19 AM
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1-step cleaner wax works very well

I used the Meguiars Deep Crystal system and it worked fine, but it was quite a bit of work. I think just about any CLEANER WAX will greatly reduce your swirl marks. I used Mothers cleaner wax and some hand rubbing with great success at removing small marks from my paint. I just didn’t find that the 3-step process really improved much on the basic 1-step cleaner wax process. Meguiars certainly makes great products and I am sure they have a 1-step cleaner wax too.

1-step cleaner wax seems to work for me




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Old 03-05-2005, 10:11 AM
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Took my Benz to the "Hand Carwash" as they call it and when I got home, I saw a lot of light swirlmarks on the hood which were never there and being that my benz only has 3500 miles. My car wasnt even heavilly soiled. Im never going back to that place again. Did a search and found that Meguiars was what everyone uses but saw some articles and some said it was bad and dangerous and other said it worked fine for them. I want your opinion Guys/gals. Thanks
I have 2 black cars; a Lexus LS 430 and a SL 55 which are both a pain in the a** to care for. My silver cars collectively take less time to care for than one black one. The SL is an '05 with the ceramiclear paint---hard as a nail and a real bear to work out minor imperfections. The Lexus paint is soft but easy to work. I have found that the multi purpose cleaner waxes are at best average. The glazes referred to in this post contain fillers that temporarily fill the swirls.
The best thing that I have found are the products from Menzerna applied with an orbital Porter Cable buffer. Start by claying the car, then use the Intense polish, followed by the Final polish and then top with Meguiars #16. It is a time consuming process but well worth the effort. The Menzerna products are a water based polish---no wax for protection. The # 16 is very durable, contains no cleaners and no fillers. I have used Zaino and the shine is brilliant but for me it collects way too much dust.
Whatever you do don't take you car through a car wash, if you care about a scratch free finish.
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Old 03-06-2005, 09:38 AM
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I agree with much of what Lou K said in the previous post.

If your car only has 3500 miles and the dealer did a decent prep I would nix the clay bar and if your are confident with a pro detalier or your own capabilities I would use an electric buffer.

I would inspect the car and only do the panels that have the swirl marks.
Maybe only your top panels got swirl marks by using poor rags and too much pressure. Many times the side panels don't get damaged like the top.
Only have the damaged panels done. I say this because the car is new, and I personally believe in using an electric buffer sparingly.

Check the deepness of the swirl marks by testing carefully if you fingernail gets caught in the marks. If they are deep enough to catch a finger nail you'll need a professional wet-sand. And if I went somewhere to have a wet sand I would ask to see a demonstration first on test car. You can only wet-sand inside under fluorescent lighting.

You check for swirl marks in direct sunlight
You check for body panel perfection under fluorescent lights.

It is true to try the least agressive method first, and that would probably be washing car with dawn dishwashing liquid to remove wax. A liquid cleaner maybe-Meguiars, a nice polish-maybe Griots Garage, a quality wax.
On a new car I wouldn't use any compounds, even though some 3M products followed by polish work, if you need to repair a large area have a pro do it with a buffer.
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Old 03-06-2005, 12:22 PM
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I changed my mind. Don’t bother with the cleaner wax. You should wet sand the finish, and buy the porter polisher. Use at least a four-step process after the wet sanding. Be sure to use only “professional” formulations with all of those numbers for product references. I forget right now, is it #16, then #8, then #22, and then special classe #33 that you can only get in 50-gallon barrels.

You will end up with a wonderful show car finish without any eggshell dimples, or you will end up having to repaint the car.

Yes, that is the best idea. Don’t bother with the 1-step cleaner wax.
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Old 03-06-2005, 01:27 PM
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Have you been bouncing around on your Touranza's too long ?
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Old 03-07-2005, 01:17 PM
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Have you been bouncing around on your Touranza's too long ?
Yes, far too long, but I have to live with it. I was just blasting around like a madman during lunch. One good thing is that they don’t squeal when I corner at rather high speeds. The Michelins tended to advertise that I was driving too fast.

I couldn’t help myself, because the wax thing just gets ridiculous sometimes. I believe that it is common to experience diminishing return, in that 90% more effort may only give you a 10% improvement. People go on and on about this and that kind of wax or this and that kind of polisher, but just basic care sometimes provides great results.

I love the “wax as you dry product”. I will still hand wax my car with the traditional methods, but the wax as you dry stuff gives me a very nice look at every washing.
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Old 03-07-2005, 01:20 PM
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Old 03-07-2005, 03:31 PM
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Forest is GREAT

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AMEN.
To quote Forest Gump? " That's all I have to say ! "
I love Forest Gump. I quoted him when I was trying to explain my experience with lowering my car. I don’t remember the exact quote but I think Forest said, “it is like a box of chocolates, you don’t really know what you you’ve got until you take a bite.” Just like lowering you car and trying to figure out what spring pads to use and how to fix the rear camber issues.
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Old 03-08-2005, 12:52 PM
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An interesting thread with diverse opinions on a very subjective subject...

Sometimes simple is best, and being a simple guy here is what I have learned while accumulating a shelf full of car show trophies for MBs and classic Mustangs.

First, washing your car in a car wash will virtually guarantee you a premium set of swirl marks. Just be glad you don't have scratches deep enough to plant corn.

If you have a dirty car, then you need to carefully wash it with a flood of water to lift the grime and dirt away from the finish so it won't scratch.

As to polishing, use a foam pad and a good glaze, like Megs show car glaze. Wipe it off with a cotton diaper, inspect the diaper to ensure it is all cotton and has no synthetic threads. The older the better for diapers. Don't use miracle fiber for polish removal, it drags too much and will wear you down so fast you will take short cuts in the work.

Then, use Megs liquid yellow wax, #26, or a good paste w/o any silicones or cleaners, Blitz is real good, but #26 is reliable and available. Using a foam pad, apply it to the surface over the polished finish. If you use a cleaner wax it will simply, but effectively, remove all that carefully applied polish, and leave behind streaks.

When the wax is dry use a miracle fiber cloth to remove the light haze. It will amaze you. Be prepared to repeat this often if you want a show car finish. It ain't possible to keep a show car shine on a daily driver unless you polish it every day like a show car. A simple truth, but hard to accept in a world full of fanciful claims for miracle polishes that last forever, but don't.

Once a year you may need to clay bar the surface if you live in a high pollution area or are not faithful with the car wash/polish routine.

For what it's worth...

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Old 03-08-2005, 12:59 PM
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My car stays outside and I find I need to wax it about every two months to keep the shine.

Where do you get this stuff? Showcar Glaze #9? I want to try some after I clay my paint in a few weeks.
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