Wax good for multiple coats - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

blau · #1 01-11-2006, 06:19 PM

I have heard that only some wax are good for multiple coats and other are not.

I would think a pure wax are good for multiple coats and cleaner wax, polisher wax would not be. Since if you are using a cleaner was or a polisheing wax you are rubbing off the previous wax.

I would think a paste wax would be better then liquid or a sprayon wax.

Or am I just wrong?

thanks

blau

Ali Al-Chalabi · #2 01-11-2006, 07:26 PM

I just use Zaino Bros and put on 2-3 coats.

suginami · #3 01-11-2006, 08:55 PM

Meguiars position has always been that it is impossible to layer wax....at least their wax.

They claim that putting on layer after layer of wax doesn't "build up", i.e., there is no measurable film build.

They also don't see why you would want to do that.

The point is to wax your paint, not wax your wax.

However, they have admitted that you can technically "layer" their NXT wax, although their is no measurable film build. Instead, since it is a synthetic polymer, you are building thicker / stronger / tighter polymer chains.

kknudson · #4 01-12-2006, 06:24 PM

I too use Zaino, and love it. I'll follow their claim it can be layered, although I have no scientific evidence.

I would think Suginami comment about polymers is the key. Any of the polymer waxes can be layered. It would seem that regular waxes would tend to melt into the prior coat, actually doing similiar to polys.

But the Polys seem to last MUCH longer, using my wife and best friends cars as reference. They look great, and wash up easy even after months of normal driving.

My car, and the MB hardly get driven.

My feel on wax, find a "good quality" one you like, are happy with the results and use it. Don't let other people here or elsewhere tell you one is better than the other.

Different waxes work different depending on the finish, and color

danwatt · #5 01-13-2006, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by suginami

However, they have admitted that you can technically "layer" their NXT wax, although their is no measurable film build. Instead, since it is a synthetic polymer, you are building thicker / stronger / tighter polymer chains.

You can't layer NXT, as it contains cleaners in it that will reduce the amount from the previous layer. You can easily layer carnuba waxes. I'm a mobile detailer, and I can say that you definetly notice a difference when layering. Spit shine technique works great too, but takes a lot of practice.

Hatterasguy · #6 01-13-2006, 12:16 PM

It depends on the wax you use. With Meguairs I have actually gotten the best results by putting on one coat a month.

However if you use a real Carnuba wax something with a lot of Carnuba in it like 30% then you can layer it. Griots talks about putting 4-6 coats of theirs on after waiting 24 hours between each coat. But they are going for a Pebble Beach quality of finish.

yal · #7 01-13-2006, 04:43 PM

You can layer polymer waxes, better known as sealants. Meguiars NXT is one. Zaino is another.

suginami · #8 01-13-2006, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by danwatt

You can't layer NXT, as it contains cleaners in it that will reduce the amount from the previous layer. You can easily layer carnuba waxes. I'm a mobile detailer, and I can say that you definetly notice a difference when layering. Spit shine technique works great too, but takes a lot of practice.

NXT does contain cleaners, but they are mild, much more mild than those in #20, Poymer sealant. The layering is at the chemical level.

Mike Phillips at Meguiars, who helped develop the product, told me it is 'layerable'.

Meguiar's carnuba products cannot be layered.

They know that people claim they get better results when layering, but their chemist, Dr. Penntington, says the apparent difference is not due to layering, but to getting a better coverage by laying down a second coat.

Again, with Meguiar's products, there is no such thing as layering, as the layering can't be measured.

There is no measurable film build.

Tom McMenamin · #9 01-13-2006, 11:42 PM

Consider no Other!

Ali Al-Chalabi · #10 01-16-2006, 10:21 AM

The other day after putting a fresh coat of Zaino on my car, I drove over a freshly paved road (a little too fresh) and got some tar spray on the car. After driving through the rain, the wax was so slick that it rinsed the tar off after a while (no joke).

antonino · #11 01-16-2006, 01:23 PM

My son do detail work for some of our friends with high end cars as well as pamper our own 66 mustang coupe, 78 alfa romeo spider and recently acquired 300 ce coupe (wife' car that I get to drive) we have tried them all and we swear by P21s wax and paintwork cleaner. Since our garage queens do not sit outside, we only use the P21s paintwork cleaner. This is a fine-non abrasive polish that gives an incredible shine with concours results. If you need to use wax, one coat of their wax will last 2-3 months and goes on and comes off like a dream with no residue...give it a try, you to will be a believer.