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Old 03-05-2012, 07:23 PM
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Exclamation How to properly wet sand paint

After reading numerous threads on the forum and massive amounts of articles online, I am left confused. I get confused on what grit sand paper to use and how long to do it for. I am looking for a simple, straight forward answer.

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Old 03-05-2012, 11:25 PM
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There is no straightforward answer, and we need to know "at what step", and with what system of paint.

For example, if you have done a basecoat/clearcoat with two-part urethane paint, and you are trying to flatten the finish to eliminate orange peel, block sanding with 1500-4000 grit is usually done, depending on "how bad" it is and "how perfect" you want it - and depending on the available thickness of the clearcoat, and how skilled you are at avoiding the edges and/or "going through", which can be fairly catastrophic. The important aspects are ABSOLUTE CLEANLINESS and lots and lots of water and a tiny bit of detergent - and soaking the sandpaper in water/detergent BEFORE it ever hits the car. At these grits and new finish, it's very easy to leave a BIG scratch with dry sandpaper or even the tiniest speck of whatever between the paint and sandpaper.

What happens with single-stage urethane or other systems is very different.
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Old 03-06-2012, 03:11 AM
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X2 ^^^^

Giving the paint time to dry helps too!

Post some pictures Two560Two - or tell us what you are doing.

As a general rule - if you are in the process of just giving it a go - use the finest grade paper you've got and experiment a bit. You'll soon the get the hang of it after you'd just resprayed the panel for the 14th time...
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Agree with all that's been said. I'd add only this--BE PATIENT. Don't even think of rushing through the job by trying to get it all done in one attempt. Even experts don't do that. Do a little bit on one panel, then wipe the treated surface and check for the tell-tale spotting of orange peel, before doing a bit more, and so on. You may actually do the same panel 4-5 times in small, light stages before the paint texture is smooth and you move on to polishing and buffing to restore luster. Also, be sure to use only a random-orbital buffer in the polishing phase, and keep the surface moist with polish and/or detailing spray. Overheating the clearcoat during polishing leads to grief!
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Old 03-06-2012, 09:21 PM
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ok here is the scoop. The paint on my car is not in the best shape. There are stains and the clear coat is dull which gives the car a dull look but when the sun hits the paint, the paint still shines. There are also alot of fine scratches in the paint. I already had the car compounded and polished which helped but after a few months, concern happened again and also after the job I could also still see stains and such which I would presume that the job was not done right

I was told by 3 detailing shops to try wet sanding the paint then compound and polish again. Did I get inaccurate or wrong information?

Take a look at the pic attached. I dont think you can really see the imprefections but you can tell the paint needs help
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Old 03-07-2012, 03:03 AM
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Stains? Do you suspect that the car has been repainted? Or are they like tree sap stains?

The problem you have is that every process you mention is removing a bit of the clear coat / paint. At some point or other you are going to run out of the stuff - then you will have to repaint.

Wet sanding is going to remove the most - polishing should remove the least(!)...

I recommend that you take your car to somewhere with a good reputation. This will probably mean somewhere expensive.

Perhaps someone here can recommend somewhere?


Please note - 3 shops have recommended something that it seems that they are not prepared to do - tread carefully!
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Old 03-27-2012, 01:58 PM
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I was told by 3 detailing shops to try wet sanding the paint then compound and polish again. Did I get inaccurate or wrong information?
over here that is standard procedure for older cars exposed to sun
sand paper grit 2000+ and 2-3 stage polish. BUT if you dont have a polish device
(600rpm for novice or 1200+rpm for pro)
and no previous experience with this procedure you can easily, very
easily burn rest of coat/paint.

anyways,dont do circles or you will make swirls.

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