Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Diesel Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-23-2004, 03:48 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: RI
Posts: 1,040
Ball Joint Question W123

Based on an earlier post, I am pretty sure I have a lower ball joint problem in my 83 300d Sedan. I would like to try to confirm this by "lubricating" the joint. I was thinking of trying to clean up as much as possible with brake cleaner, the boots are definitely ripped. I was then wanting to spray in some kind of lubricant as best I can, something that'll kind of work its way down and around the ball joint. What would be best to use, WD40 type stuff, grease, regular oil via an oil squirt can? I just want to lubricate them a bit to see if the creaking goes away or quiets down and will confirm the bad balljoint diagnosis.
How dangerous are bad joints? Car is stable, no shimmy, I cannot feel play wiggling the wheel assembly. I ask because I will most likely not have time to replace these until spring but will be driving the car this winter. I know these are tough to replace, would it be less than say $350 to have an indy take care of them?
Thanks for any advise.

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-23-2004, 04:10 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: RI shore
Posts: 2,937
regular motor oil, but gear oil would probably be better, being thicker and having the little squirt top on the bottle. I did just this to my 82 SD several years ago trying to diagnose the noise. It did help quiet the noise and I do it periodically (oops, it's overdue) until I get a chance to relace them. I have more play in mine than I'd like, but the car still rides nice, especially with that rebuilt motor! Without the boots, the joints wash out faster, maybe this time I'll use grease on top of gear oil.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-23-2004, 04:12 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Michigan
Posts: 1,373
The ball joint job scared me to death until I did a few of them. Not bad actually. Taking the steering knuckle off was the easiest. Now I just have spare steering knuckles with new ball joints pressed in and simply swap them when the car makes the familiar noise.

I would use anything like WD-40 or PB Blast cuz you're not trying to fix it, just locate the issue. In most of my cases, I could reproduce the noise by applying downward pressure on the front fender. Kind of a creaking noise.

In all three cases, the noise was remedied by the ball joint replacement.

Someone else may weigh in on this, but my local mechanic said that the ball joint (even when bad) was not as likely to break as say a tie rod end. I didn't trust that however and went ahead and did it.

Don
__________________
DAILY DRIVERS:
'84 300DT 298k (Aubrey's)
'99.5 Jetta TDI IV 251k (Julie's)
'97 Jetta TDI 127k (Amber's)
'97 Jetta TDI 186k (Matt's)
'96 Passat TDI 237k (Don's
'84 300D 211k Mint (Arne- Undergoing Greasecar Conversion)

SOLD:
'82 240D 229k (Matt's - Converted-300DT w/ 4 speed
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-23-2004, 08:01 PM
Gilly's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Evansville WI
Posts: 9,616
The thing can and will break eventually, if it does you can get killed or kill someone, or both.

Gilly
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-23-2004, 09:04 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Wakefield, RI
Posts: 2,145
I actually considered this repair fairly simple. I rented the balljoint press from Performance Products and went at it. The hardest part was getting the old joints out. A few good shots with a mini-sledge and they started to move. Finished off with a section of 1" brass rod as a punch. New joints went in easy with the PP press. I did both in under three hours. RT
__________________
When all else fails, vote from the rooftops!
84' Mercedes Benz 300D Anthracite/black, 171K
03' Volkswagen Jetta TDI blue/black, 93K
93' Chevrolet C2500HD ExCab 6.5TD, Two-tone blue, 252K
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-24-2004, 01:07 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: RI shore
Posts: 2,937
rwthomas, did the press you used release the steering knuckle at the upper and/or lower joint? What are the rental terms? That might be a good option
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-25-2004, 12:33 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Wakefield, RI
Posts: 2,145
Pete,
I used a cheap import pitman arm puller from Autozone to separate the upper balljoint. Worked great. Once you separate the upper you can pull the top of the steering knuckle/spindle out far enough to hit the top of the lower balljoint stud with a mini-sledge. This releases it immediately. Don't mess with the outer tierod, just unbolt the steering arm. The PP press rental was $100.00 Pricey but it works extremely well and you don't have to mess with the dust boot like if you try and use a standard style balljoint press. Hope this helps, RT
__________________
When all else fails, vote from the rooftops!
84' Mercedes Benz 300D Anthracite/black, 171K
03' Volkswagen Jetta TDI blue/black, 93K
93' Chevrolet C2500HD ExCab 6.5TD, Two-tone blue, 252K
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-25-2004, 08:27 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: RI shore
Posts: 2,937
thanks, that does help. I saw the press on their website, but I suppose you have to call and ask about the rental. How long do you have to use it, and do you just send it back and forth UPS?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-25-2004, 08:21 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Wakefield, RI
Posts: 2,145
Pete,
The rental program is you "buy" the press and then return it and they credit your account less $100.00 I think the rental is for a month? Call and ask them. UPS for shipping. The PP press is extremely robust. Never seen a tool so overbuilt. RT
__________________
When all else fails, vote from the rooftops!
84' Mercedes Benz 300D Anthracite/black, 171K
03' Volkswagen Jetta TDI blue/black, 93K
93' Chevrolet C2500HD ExCab 6.5TD, Two-tone blue, 252K
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-26-2004, 08:06 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: RI shore
Posts: 2,937
RT, thanks again

Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:30 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page