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Old 09-23-2004, 07:41 AM
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Tool Loaner Program ? Can we handle it ?

I don't know how extensive we might be able to make this... but I propose to start off like this :

Anyone that has any old bad injectors out of a 616 or 617 send them to me... I will weld up several examples of them which can be used with a slide hammer or something close to that.... actual hammers are too heavy to ship around.... ' homemade' articles can be used for that end of the tool....

Someone else could volunteer to keep the records of who has them and notifies them when someone else needs them.....

Or they could be kept by someone and sent to those who need to use them..

Anyone needing my mailing address for this email or PM me....

Any other suggestions or comments ?

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Old 09-23-2004, 09:15 AM
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Greg, this is a very noble endeavor. I hope you have much better luck than did I when I unofficially tried to loan tools to members on this site.

2 or 3 years ago I loaned a very expensive prechamber tool to someone, even paid the shipping in good faith. I have yet to see the tool or the shipping costs returned. A month or so later, the person stopped posting, or at least stopped posting under the same name. If he is lurking, I hope he reads this and returns my tool.

It's a real shame that it seems necessary to ask for a deposit for such a gesture.

I don't mean to discourage you. Your generosity is apparant and admired. I just hope you don't get burned.

Good luck,
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Old 09-23-2004, 09:31 AM
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Larry, I said Loan.... I did not mention " no deposit" .... LOL
and this tool is not very labor or materials intensive...

Do you mean you sent someone one of the screw out type PCC removers... like is listed at $325 ?

Surely you still know there real name and address.... ??????????

Some kind of controls sure need to be in existance.... but not sure what would work best....
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Old 09-23-2004, 09:43 AM
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You need some sort of an escrow service -- a middleman to whom the borrower sends the deposit, and to whom the tool-lender ships the tool. Once the middleman receives both, he ships the tool to the borrower. If the borrower isn't heard from again, the middleman sends the deposit to the tool-lender, minus a small fee of course

I could see it being made to work on a large scale, with a professional escrow company. (eBay did it, after all.) On a small scale, I suspect it would be too painful for one person to administer to be worthwhile.
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Old 09-23-2004, 09:45 AM
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I think that a tool swap program is a really great idea. I hope it works out. I really believe that a deposit for all tools should be required. This is only fair and protects the people who give of themselves to improve our lot in the world. I would be really jazzed at the opportunity to borrow a few tools I can't justify buying but really need, like a lower ball joint press. I will offer a few tools I have made which I believe will help. They are 1. Mandrel for pressing cylinder sleeves in/out. 2. Puller for removing original type aluminum sleeve for B2 piston from 722.303 - (it can be used with trans in car as long as the piston can be removed first) 3. Wrench that fits into body slot in 126 to hold nut that breaks off stamped metal holder that holds front suspension isolator in but breaks when its so badly rusted - (I'll give you more detail later) plus at least something else I've forgotten
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Old 09-23-2004, 10:24 AM
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I would sure like to borrow a spring compressing tool for the front springs of my'81 300TD!!!
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Old 09-23-2004, 01:27 PM
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Pete, WOW, I am glad to know you have that sleeve pulling mandrel... is yours slide hammer or hydraulic fit up .... or what ? You have used it ?
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Old 09-23-2004, 01:41 PM
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Originally, I wanted to recover some of the investment in my spring compressor by renting it at reasonable rates to forum members. I was totally unwilling to take a $600 leap of faith and, no mutually equitable arrangement could ever be worked out regarding the deposit.

And now that I've used it 4-5 times, and seen the kind of wear it experiences, not to mention how difficult it is to use properly, I personally think it is much better off staying in my garage or being used under my close supervision.
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Old 09-23-2004, 01:43 PM
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yes, I've used it and it worked just fine. One of these days soon I'll scoop it up and send it. It's currently in one of several places. Its very much like the "self-made tool" in the FSM except I used a 1" shaft instead of 25mm and the shaft is separable from the base by the 1" nut welded to the base. My theory was that it could be used to PULL a sleeve from a block, and while this is possible (by adding a hole to the tool) its not very useful because the sleeves are about 0.5mm thicker than stock finished dimension, so there is really no benefit to having that capability. Anyway, I used it on my manual arbor press. I suppose if someone had no press they could hit the far end of the shaft with a sledgehammer without damaging the rest of the tool, but I wouldn't recommend it Whoops,edit, Greg, I see you said "slide hammer", you probably meant tool for the trans, right? Cause not even Herman the German could remove a MB cylinder bore sleeve with a slide hammer!

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Old 09-23-2004, 11:19 PM
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Greg, I think a tool rental program is a fantastic idea. Although Larry had a bad experience with it, hopefully, this will not kill the potential in the future. There are many tools that all of us need one time. Buying them individually and storing the tool in the garage forever makes no sense.

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..........maybe you can be the manager of such a program.
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Old 09-24-2004, 05:15 AM
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I also like the concept. When I purchased the timingchain crimper I suspected I would possibly use it 2-6 times over my life (wild a_s guess on that range). LB had a bad experience as probably most of us have had. I loaned an engine stand, new paint gun before ever having used it myself and a few other items, never to see them in my garage again. That does not deter me from sharing w/other forum members.

So, if this concept gets off the ground, for what its worth, add my crimper to the list of available tools.
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Old 09-24-2004, 10:20 AM
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..........maybe you can be the manager of such a program.
Hee, hee. Greg's entropy workshop is most definitely an interesting place to visit. He has a LOT of neat (relative term here...my Mom and I go out to pick berries in the spring and she has a different view of his 'stuff' ) junk stashed out there; heck, everytime I go out to Greg's, I see something I didn't spot on the previous trip. Plus, the bohemian in me yearns to head to the place with torch, sawzall and stick welder to set up camp and create.

Of course, if you know Greg at all, there's a story behind each and every piece/artifact/item.
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Old 09-24-2004, 10:29 AM
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Of course, if you know Greg at all, there's a story behind each and every piece/artifact/item.
Now, I certainly can believe that. Some day I need to take the tour of those 40 acres. Think three days would be enough?
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Old 09-24-2004, 10:32 AM
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Randy, how about a photo tour?
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Old 09-24-2004, 11:07 AM
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Well, the way you guys are talking about me I am starting to wonder if I am abnormal...
I thought everyone kept everything they could .... bought or made all the tools they could....and understood that if they had storage problems it was not " too much stuff " but "To little space". ?
Two years ago I needed to make a small tilt trailer to move my Gravely Two wheeled tractor around on... 400 lbs... and does not roll easy.... I went to the shop and got two of the door hinges ( blue ) which I had from dismantling a 1963 plymouth .... in 1972..
On the Antiques Road Show this is called " provenance"... the story of where something came from... but you guys are making me look like I have a metal fetish and am a compulsive information saver...

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