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Old 11-04-2004, 03:07 PM
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Just stay away from Midas rippof king, and Meinike another rippoff artist. both make you pay FAR more than you should.
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Old 11-04-2004, 03:16 PM
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really? A complete system?
The W123 exhaust is considerably less costly than the W126. However, for $200. I'm quite sure you don't get the downpipe.

The W126 would probably be close to double this price.
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Old 11-04-2004, 03:47 PM
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Just stay away from Midas rippof king, and Meinike another rippoff artist. both make you pay FAR more than you should.
Most muffler shops will bend their own pipes with a crush bender. On the Benz turbo with stock 2.5" pipes, the diameter will be quite restricted at the bends. It will slow the turbo considerably, although it will undoubtedly be quiet. The factory system is mandrel bent, and much better.
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Brosal doesn't warrenty the pipes or the front muffler, the one that usually fries, and they will not last anywhere near as long as the factory ones.

That said, they DO fit, and that's a plus. You also need all new hangers, but they are cheap -- one for the center muffler and four (I think) for the rear.

If it's not too much, consider replacing the complete system, from turbo back. This is MUCH easier than trying to get old rusy parts to fit up to new ones, etc, and you will be spared my not-so-happy experience in Canada of replacing a muffler and a two months later extracting the remnants of the pipe in front of it that rusted off and dropped the muffler on the road!

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Old 11-04-2004, 06:56 PM
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really? A complete system?
Hope this clears up you confusion.
When I bought one I didn't need the front pipe.
Here are the prices as of today on the east coast.

Front pipe= 132.99
Center mufflers 99.99
Rear muffler 79.00 all come with lifetime
The funny thing Midas had quoted me 1400.00 installed but as he was looking up the muffler I caught a glimpse of his book which said Bosel what a ripoff they are.

20 minutes to install without a lift perfect fit.
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Old 11-04-2004, 07:22 PM
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Brosal doesn't warrenty the pipes or the front muffler, the one that usually fries, and they will not last anywhere near as long as the factory ones.

That said, they DO fit, and that's a plus. You also need all new hangers, but they are cheap -- one for the center muffler and four (I think) for the rear.

If it's not too much, consider replacing the complete system, from turbo back. This is MUCH easier than trying to get old rusy parts to fit up to new ones, etc, and you will be spared my not-so-happy experience in Canada of replacing a muffler and a two months later extracting the remnants of the pipe in front of it that rusted off and dropped the muffler on the road!

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Sorry Peter your wrong any of the three parts I listed is warranteed from "autozone" lifetime and the name is "Bosal" just give your local Autozone a call and they will verify what said
I bought my center and rear muffler from them six years ago and there just fine and I reused my original rubber hangers.
The followling is copied from there website. LLT = limeted life time
BOSAL
EXHAUST PIPE-FRONT 834-201 LLT $132.99 Store Special Order Add to Store List Web Special Order Buy Online
BOSAL
MUFFLER-O.E.-REAR 280-203 LLT $79.99 Store Special Order Add to Store List Web Special Order Buy Online
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MUFFLER-O.E.CENTER 284-201 LLT $99.99 Store Special Order Add to Store List Not Available
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Hmm.. Someone is sniping the Borsal name, then -- they are a big European manufacturer, mostly aftermarket, I think, but also OEM.

Anyway, the hangers are CHEAP, and they both stretch with age and fall off, so I'd put new ones on to avoid the thumping exhaust syndrome. On the W123 the exhaust should fit up firmly on the body bumpers at center muffler and just past the back one.

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Most muffler shops will bend their own pipes with a crush bender. On the Benz turbo with stock 2.5" pipes, the diameter will be quite restricted at the bends. It will slow the turbo considerably, although it will undoubtedly be quiet. The factory system is mandrel bent, and much better.


My stock piping doesn't appear to be 2.5"... it looks more like 2". I've been highly considering going to a 2.5" or 3" turboback (have a bud that can fab it up) for increased flow once the turbo comes alive, lower EGTs, and more power to boot.

Anyone have comments on that?
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Old 11-05-2004, 08:33 AM
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My stock piping doesn't appear to be 2.5"... it looks more like 2". I've been highly considering going to a 2.5" or 3" turboback (have a bud that can fab it up) for increased flow once the turbo comes alive, lower EGTs, and more power to boot.

Anyone have comments on that?
I bet if you meaure it you will find its far bigger than 2" My honda has 2.5" collector, cat and catback........... But true its not factory.
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If it's not too much, consider replacing the complete system, from turbo back. This is MUCH easier than trying to get old rusy parts to fit up to new ones, etc, and you will be spared my not-so-happy experience in Canada of replacing a muffler and a two months later extracting the remnants of the pipe in front of it that rusted off and dropped the muffler on the road!
I agree. Because I'm such a cheap bas****, I repair an exhaust system several times if I can, but when you get to the point of needing new mufflers anyway, I think that's the time to do the whole system at once. Avoid Midas like you would a street gang, they are so accustomed to screwing people they don't even have any shame when they are caught. Once they charged my wife (fiance then) about $400 for brake work, mostly completely unneccesary. They had her in tears about how the car was so dangerous she could have been killed. I returned the next morning with the used parts and my vernier. I remember holding a caliper in the manager's office, saying "this looks OK, why did you change it?" "It's seized, sir" the mechanic said. So I gave a good push to the inside piston. A shower of brake fluid sprayed all over the papers on the guy's desk. "Oh, good, well you can put this back on too" I spent over 2 hours standing in the shop watching them remove new parts, turning the old discs and refunding most of the money. I consider myself lucky to be able to see how shamelessly they actually acted. Don't let your friends go there either! rant, rant, rant, rant
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Old 11-05-2004, 09:15 AM
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Yes but sometimes that ends up cost you far more in the long run......

In dollars and time wasted. And you still end up replacing the system in the end.
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Old 11-05-2004, 10:29 AM
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My stock piping doesn't appear to be 2.5"... it looks more like 2". I've been highly considering going to a 2.5" or 3" turboback (have a bud that can fab it up) for increased flow once the turbo comes alive, lower EGTs, and more power to boot.

Anyone have comments on that?
Now that I think about it, you are right. My stock system was slightly smaller than 2.5", maybe a metric size. However, I was able to replace my rusted out muffler with a straight 2.5" pipe and downturn.
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Difference will be minimal, 2.5" pipe for even a turbo diesel 3.0L engine is prefectly adaquate.

Remember that quiet operation is a much a goal as anything else -- MB determined in the early 60's that noise was the largest contributor to driver fatigue, and has been making very quiet, high performance cars ever since.

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Old 11-06-2004, 12:05 AM
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I bet if you meaure it you will find its far bigger than 2" My honda has 2.5" collector, cat and catback........... But true its not factory.


I have large hands and can put my thumb and middle finger around a 2.5" pipe barely... I did it on the stock piping with ease. FWIW...
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Old 11-07-2004, 08:31 PM
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I have large hands and can put my thumb and middle finger around a 2.5" pipe barely... I did it on the stock piping with ease. FWIW...
If I remember tomorrow night I will measuer my pipe on my 116, I am curios now.................and maybe it does have larger pipes than a 123....who knows that may be the case.
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