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Old 02-14-2005, 07:48 PM
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Had????

Are we talking BLT here?

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Very much my pet peeve also. Mercedes NEVER called w123 turbo models T anything. If it's an 82-85 it's a turbo, if it's a wagon 79-80 it's a NA. (domestics) Most non domestics were NA - and as far as the "WE NEED TO KNOW IF IT'S A TURBO TO ANSWER YOUR TECHNICAL QUESTION" answer- 9 times out of 10 the question has nothing to do with the turbo or lack of. I think anyone who puts a "T" on their models description is exhibits 1) Small dog complex. 2) Ignorance of proper MB terminology 3) Is following the blind led crowd, or 4) Is a new owner who needs to be corrected politely.
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Old 02-14-2005, 10:57 PM
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Heh, as I was filling up with diesel at the corner station, I noticed a black Cummins 24-valve 3/4 ton pull up next to the adjacent diesel pump. "Oh no. He'll probably want to compliment my car". I am no social "butterfly", and unfortunately my presumptions were correct.

He said he had once owned a 300TD. I assumed the 123 wagon. He informed me it was actually a sedan. Well, I just had to correct him. Proper Benz terminology is as important to me as proper english.

Although, I was quite honest in telling him I had no clues to share about any of the large displacement Cummins 6-BT(right?) engines.
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Old 02-15-2005, 11:13 AM
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300D = naturally aspirated diesel sedan
300DT = diesel sedan with turbo
300TD = naturallt aspirated touring diesel ( stationwagon )
300TDT = touring diesel ( stationwagon ) with turbo

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Old 02-15-2005, 11:31 AM
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300D = naturally aspirated diesel sedan
300DT = diesel sedan with turbo
300TD = naturallt aspirated touring diesel ( stationwagon )
300TDT = touring diesel ( stationwagon ) with turbo

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MBZ never used that sort of nomenclature; why not use the gin-yoo-wine MBZ designations?
123.123 = 240D - naturally aspirated diesel sedan
123.130 = 300D - naturally aspirated diesel sedan
123.133 = 300D - turbocharged diesel sedan
123.150 = 300CD - naturally aspirated diesel coupe
123.153 = 300CD - turbocharged diesel coupe
123.190 = 300TD - naturally aspirated diesel touring ( stationwagon )
123.193 = 300TD - turbocharged diesel touring ( stationwagon )
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300D = naturally aspirated diesel sedan
300DT = diesel sedan with turbo
300TD = naturallt aspirated touring diesel ( stationwagon )
300TDT = touring diesel ( stationwagon ) with turbo

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R Leo is exactly right- MB NEVER used those terms, as far anyone has shown. According to MB there is no such thing as a w123 300DT. New owners get in that habit and then get used to it and then try to defend it; and usually end up looking foolish and confusing others. I sure wish everyone would cease using them, but in the end, we are all allowed to do whatever we want- and others can view you as smart or brilliant or old fashioned or witty or something less complimentary- it's a free country, and the thought police haven't cracked down yet....

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Old 02-15-2005, 05:40 PM
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autozen-

yer right, the wagons are in much much more demand. However at the time my car was listed for sale it had 145K miles. The ad read as follows:
So. Cal 1 owner car, All records, garaged, very clean, 145K miles... (then mentioned features etc.). there was also a pic attached, so people searching for a wagon could clearly tell it wasnt a wagon. I guess I like to think im lucky with my find. I dont need to think, I was! With a stack 2 inches thick of records, original sales documents, and a flawless body and interior who could disagree!

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In defense of the W123- I will say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. True, there are lots of w123's, mostly in 20+ year old daily driver condition. However, a well cared for example thats nearly flawless is a rare bird. Im willing to guess that a near flawless w123 is rarer than most popular classic MB's that have been kept in flawless shape or have been completely restored. I know I get comments alot on my car, and there seems to be a strong comraderie between other W123 drivers in my area... lots of smiles waves and comments. I like the fact that I can go to some posh place and stand out in a sea of 60's and 70's SLs, SEL's, etc etc and not worry about my gas needle hitting empty! And when people comment on my car, I know its usually because they know how great they are! (since many people consider ol diesels to be smelly, noisy, and ugly!)

Its a matter of personal opinion, and the gasser classics are amazing. I just think the w123 is deserving of more praise. It may be equipped like a Taurus... but it evokes an entirely different sense of design, build quality, and understated elegance. Not to mention ECONOMY!

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Very good points about W123's. However Mercedes seemed to be rushing into the plastics age in the 1980's with cracked dashes and shrived shelf liner door surrounds to show for it. Yes I know my 109 has a vinyl dash but it has not cracked....yet. I won't even get into the front suspension that looks like it was designed by Fiat. A torsion bar as a stressed member? Give me a break.
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Old 02-16-2005, 09:29 AM
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I just noticed last night that Progressive Insurance is calling my 123.130 a 300Dt.
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RLeo,
Technically you are somewhat correct, but when someone asks me what model I'm driving, I never say it is a 123.193 with the OM617.952 engine and 722.315 transmission. For the sake of brevity, I say it's a 300TDT. If the general public doesn't understand that, at least my fellow MB mechanics and the parts people know exactly what I'm talking about. Actually MB does use designations like 300TDT informally. I wish I knew how to scan and send to this site, because I'd send you a copy of the model designation page from the 1983 model year book. The sales designation reads: 300 TD Turbodiesel. Everyone in the business slides the capital T over to the left. MB has done this for years. Go back to the late 50s and early 60s. If someone said he had a 220S, you wouldn't know if his car was round or had fins. As soon as he said he had a 220Sb, you knew he had fins even though you never saw a little b on the trunk. Both models said 220S on the trunk.


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