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Old 02-22-2005, 06:15 PM
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And for those of you who are afraid of computers... Stop being old codgers! When a computer doubles your fuel mileage, you say 'thank you'. In some ways computers make cars easier to deal with, and in other ways it makes them more complex. But its the way of things, because to improve automobiles beyond the point they are now the engines need a level of 'intelligence' to keep track of themselves. You might as well embrace it.

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Hey, I'm no old codger ... I'm a young curmudgeon ... get that straight! Believe me, I love computers ... if not for them, I'd be laying out newspapers with block presses every day. That said, I still reserve the right to complain about the nuisances they bestow upon us. Especially in a car, where, fuel economy aside, older models offer basically just as much with a more mechanical leaning. My dad, who has a tendancy to be set in his ways, told me once (well, more than once) that since MB made my car, no one has put anything in a vehicle worth calling an advancement. That's a bit of an exaggeration, but in many ways it's true. There's a certain point where "simplicity" overrides invention. Especially in the US, where gadgetry reigns supreme. Like I said, the fuel economy is hard to argue. That goes for the TDI and the Prius. Beyond that, I like computers in the newsroom, but not under the hood.
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Old 02-22-2005, 06:32 PM
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for me it's DI vs IDI

Funny (and sad) that when we speak of TDI's one thinks of VW's. If we lived on the other side of the pond you could look at many choices ...

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Old 02-22-2005, 09:24 PM
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Old 02-22-2005, 09:33 PM
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My 603 has computer controlled idle, as well as abs, an alarm ect. All I can say is MB makes some reliable stuff I have had zero electrical problems so far. It all has been stupid stuff like dirty contacts.

Besides one of my favorite things to do at the GTG's is spin my idle knob around and show fellow 603 owners how simple it is to change the idle. Ohh on the 617 you need tools to do that!
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Old 02-22-2005, 09:33 PM
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By using the term 'graduate', I didn't mean to imply superiority, but rather, when all our MB's rust out.

Its a fun thread to see all the opinions out there.

So far I'm basically of the opinion that the fuel economy grabbed me but I can't imagine giving up the classic 123's that 'mark their territory' on my driveway. I can tell you which of the four were parked where just by the oil spots
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Old 02-22-2005, 10:33 PM
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I own both

My 240D is built to a different standard. The simple act of slaming the door shut is an eye opening experience. "MB quality" is assumed, while "VW quality" is more of an oxymoron.

My modified TDI is way faster that the 240D. The TDI is "Scary Fast" after driving the 240D.

When my TDI has trouble, I hook up my laptop computer to the ODB port and it tells me what's wrong.
When my 240D has trouble, I have to figure it out (but that's not necessarily a bad thing, either).

My 240D gets 28 mpg, and want's it's oil changed every 3,000 miles.
My TDI gets 47 mpg, and want's it's oil changed every 10,000 miles.

My TDI has heated seats, heated mirrors, and air bags all around.
My 240D has MB-Tex (not a bad thing).

The stock radio doesn't work worth a damn in either one of 'em.

I see more VW Jetta's, Beetles, and Golf's on the road in one day than I see W123's in a year.

Door dings on my TDI don't send me into a homocidal rage.

240D has timing chain.
TDI has timing belt. That might say it all, in the end...

My 240D has the advantage of being "engineered to last".
My TDI has the advantage of an additional 20 years of technological evolution.

Both are good cars.

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Old 02-22-2005, 11:13 PM
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Had a 300SD, now own 2 TDI's. I am done with old MB's, never again, though I may consider a CDI in the future.

IMO TDI>MB
Because:
-TDI is faster.
-TDI gets better mileage.
-TDI can start in -30C with no problems.
-TDI has much more comfortable seats.
-TDI has 10000mile oil change intervals.
-TDI handles better IMO.
-TDI has more modification options (upsolute chip etc), decent gains for cheap.
-TDI HAS NO RUST!!!!!
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Old 02-22-2005, 11:25 PM
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Price =='s choice

The tdi's are interesting to me as well,but I bought the 126 because the price was right,I might be able to afford a tdi in 10 years,but I am still hoping for a winning lotto ticket and the return of the NEW DIESEL BRONCO see pic:
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Old 02-22-2005, 11:31 PM
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I've said it before, but the only diesel I'd drive is the one that you can run without a battery or functioning alt.

I just love that feeling of taking a car on a long trip and knowing the only way you'd get inconvenienced while traveling is if you blew a tire(So long as you made mechanical preperations prior to).
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Old 02-23-2005, 12:16 AM
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I've said it before, but the only diesel I'd drive is the one that you can run without a battery or functioning alt.

I just love that feeling of taking a car on a long trip and knowing the only way you'd get inconvenienced while traveling is if you blew a tire(So long as you made mechanical preperations prior to).
Correct me if im wrong, your 350SDL and 300SDL can't run without a battery or functioning alternator, infact none of your cars listed in your sig can.
*Cough*Hypocrite*Cough*
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Old 02-23-2005, 12:28 AM
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Correct me if im wrong, your 350SDL and 300SDL can't run without a battery or functioning alternator, infact none of your cars listed in your sig can.
*Cough*Hypocrite*Cough*
hmmm, correct me if i'm wrong, but my altenator went bad, battery ran down of course. I jumped my car off and drove it 25 miles to a shop to get the altenator changed. Was I dreaming that I drove my car without a charged battery and bad altenator or what was it that made my 300 SDL run without these items?
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Old 02-23-2005, 12:30 AM
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Had a 300SD, now own 2 TDI's. I am done with old MB's, never again, though I may consider a CDI in the future.

IMO TDI>MB
Because:
-TDI is faster.
-TDI gets better mileage.
-TDI can start in -30C with no problems.
-TDI has much more comfortable seats.
-TDI has 10000mile oil change intervals.
-TDI handles better IMO.
-TDI has more modification options (upsolute chip etc), decent gains for cheap.
-TDI HAS NO RUST!!!!!
Don't know about your 300SD, but in comparison to my sister's car, I can't agree with most of those when lined up against my car (603, W124)...
-speed: couldn't tell you ... I've never gone over 100 in mine (I'm a wimp) and never gone terribly fast in my sister's. Acceleration-wise mine seems little more sluggish "off the line" but after that is, IMO, much livelier than the TDI.
-mileage: can't argue it. I got 29mpg on the last tank and was thrilled. My sister can drive to Michigan on a single tank.
-cold starting: my sister's car performs like a dead clydsdale in cold temps. It may just be her particular vehicle, though. My car is a definate diesel in the winter, but it started on the first shot when it was -7F here. Hasn't been colder than that in a few years ...
-seats: personal preference, I'm sure, but I find my car much more comfortable. My friends seem to find my car unusually comfortable, too, especially the back seats. I never ride in my own car's backseats, so I can't verify their comfort personally. But driver's seat, even with 18 years of butts, I find far more cozy than the TDI.
-oil: can't argue with you there, either, but have to admit I like doing oil changes. It's one of the only things I can figure out how to do on a car. It makes me feel special.
-mods: My idea of a modification is the $5 cupholders I bought at Pep Boys ... so ...
-rust: My car is 18 years old, has been slugged around in ice, snow and salt, has never been garaged, and has never been waxed. It has some small rust spots on the door panels and one rocker panel. At 3 years old, I would hope my sister's car has no rust.

You realize not only are you getting into car rivalry here ... you're delving into sibling rivalry
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hmmm, correct me if i'm wrong, but my altenator went bad, battery ran down of course. I jumped my car off and drove it 25 miles to a shop to get the altenator changed. Was I dreaming that I drove my car without a charged battery and bad altenator or what was it that made my 300 SDL run without these items?
Is 300SDL engine not electronically controlled?
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Old 02-23-2005, 12:34 AM
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The tdi's are interesting to me as well,but I bought the 126 because the price was right,I might be able to afford a tdi in 10 years,but I am still hoping for a winning lotto ticket and the return of the NEW DIESEL BRONCO see pic:
Man i'd like to have that Bronco. Are they putting diesels in the new bronco? Like I said before if Ford could get a diesle in the F-150 it'd be a hit. I'll take a CDI in about 10 years, that if I don't hit the lotto first. If that's the case, i'll buy one the next day.
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Old 02-23-2005, 12:36 AM
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Is 300SDL engine not electronically controlled?
not sure acutally, but I did drive it. Of course if i turned the ignition switch off, i know it would not start.
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