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dannym 02-25-2005 08:39 AM

What is a trap oxidizer?
 
Hello all,
I was reading Msyoder's post about his broken turbo, sorry to hear that, and I had a question but I didn't want to hijack his post.

Someone asked him if he had removed his trap oxidizer and I wanted to know what this is and why would anyone want to remove it?

Thanks

Danny

LarryBible 02-25-2005 09:05 AM

The trap oxidizer was something that worked sort of like a catalytic converter. It was used from about 85 to 87 or 88 on diesels sold in the US and was put there to meet California emissions.

They were known for disintegrating and when this happened it would destroy the turbocharger and sometimes do even worse damage than that.

MB went through a campaign to remove them at no cost to the owner. In fact the owner got an ENTIRE new exhaust system from engine to rear bumper at zero cost.

Have a great day,

Dervman 02-25-2005 09:13 AM

Trap Oxidisers were the Diesel equivalent of a Catalytic Converter to help emmissions control. They were fitted to 1986 & 1987 603 series engines in the 300D & 300SDL models and maybe later years for the 300D. They were installed between the Exhaust manifold and the Turbo in the exhaust system and look like a big canister mounted horizontally.

Problem was that the material that was used inside the Trap Oxidiser was prone to breaking up over time and causing damage to the Turbochargers. There was a M-B Recall for all models fitted with these Trap Oxidisers where the T-O was removed and replaced with a straight pipe. In some cases if there was any evidence of Turbo damage the Turbo was also replaced.

There are a few cars out there still running around with the T-O installed and it is generally reckoned here that these are just problems waiting to happen.

keith.o 02-25-2005 10:08 AM

good before and after pics
 
I stumbled on these pretty decent before and after pics of trap oxidizer replacement........."www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/300sdl871.htm"

diametricalbenz 02-25-2005 11:41 AM

My mother was driving our 87' 300SDL on the freeway in 2001 when it experienced a sudden loss of power and so she put the pedal down in an attempt to maintain speed so that the car behind her didn't plow into the car. At that point (according to her) the trap oxidiser IMPLODED and sent a gigantic cloud of carbon out the exhaust pipe. She was able to get the car off the road and called a tow truck and had it sent to the dealer into have the recall work performed. We weren't notified of the recall at that point! I was unaware that the trap oxidizer was capable of exploding like that but fortunately the trap was removed and the turbo was not shredded to my knowledge :) We did get one of those letters stating lifetime warranty on the exhaust system after the dealer replaced the trap.

Jimmy Joe 02-25-2005 11:46 AM

Anyone got a pic of one of these on a 617 motor?

J. R. B. 02-25-2005 03:09 PM

It's that big ugly elephant turd cleverly hidden under the manifold.

Dervman 02-25-2005 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diametricalbenz
We did get one of those letters stating lifetime warranty on the exhaust system after the dealer replaced the trap.

My SDL had the recall done by the previous owner back in the nineties, so I have no such letter. Any chance you could scan and e-mail a copy ??
I wasn't aware that M-B was still covering these items under the recall.
Was your mother the original owner?

diametricalbenz 02-25-2005 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dervman
My SDL had the recall done by the previous owner back in the nineties, so I have no such letter. Any chance you could scan and e-mail a copy ??
I wasn't aware that M-B was still covering these items under the recall.
Was your mother the original owner?

I can ask my folks....they're vacationing right now. :rolleyes: We probably still have the letter from MBUSA....I didn't memorize it :) . Yes we were the 1st owners until the beginning of last year....234k reliable miles. The 1st 3k was put on by the fleet manager of the Oakland, CA Mercedes dealer in 1987....he was pissed with his job there so he sold it to my folks (who were looking at a W124 300E) for what the gasser would have cost I am told :D

Johnhef 02-25-2005 06:38 PM

I remember seeing a 124 300D back at the old shop that ran like crap, smoked like a pig and wouldnt go over 20mph. The owner (70 year old lady) had been pulled over by the cops for driving too slow and putting out nothing but thick smoke. After pulling the exhaust off and starting it one more time.... POOF! Bob came out from his bay, actually more like came out from the black cloud that was now occupying his entire stall. It was like a small explosion and black smoke and dust was everywhere! what a sight, it was hilarious!

oh and after it had a new exhaust put on, the car ran fine :D

suginami 02-25-2005 06:53 PM

There is an article in the March / April 1997 issue of The Star magazine about the infamous Trap Oxidizer.

Frank King, the long time technical editor of the Star Magazine, wrote a long two page article on this Trap Oxidizer.

He basically says that it was introduced in 1985 on California versions of models with 617.592 and 617.591 diesel engines, and was also done in 1986 to California cars with 603.961 engines. In 1987, use of trap oxidizers was extended to cars with diesel engines 603.960 and 603.961 in all 50 states.

"The component was a filter known as a trap oxidizer, designed to meet California emission standards. Located between the exhaust manifold and the turbocharger, the trap oxidizer is a monolithic labyrinth of ceramic rods housed in a steel cylinder.

Due to the extreme range of temperatures to which the trap oxidizer was subjected and the vibration inherent in the application, the ceramic monolith did not have the expected service life. Sometimes pieces of the ceramic, ranging in size from dust to chunks, broke off and were blown into the turbocharger. The abrasive ceramic particles could damage the turbo blades. As a result, Mercedes-Benz instituted an extended exchange or warranty policy. Owners of affected cars were protected from repair expense due to trap oxidizer failures.

Mercedes Benz developed a new device called an oxidation catalyst with sufficient durability to replace the trap oxidizer.

Owners who have had the job done report a noticeable performance improvement after installation of the oxidation catalyst, probably due to the decrease in exhaust back pressure."

ForcedInduction 02-25-2005 07:52 PM

TrapOx information
 
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...chmentid=24031

Recently in school I have been given good info on the Diesel Particulate Filter (a.k.a TrapOx.) HERE is some more good info about it.

The ceramic Cylindrical filter has many small square channels running in the axial direction seperated by thin porus walls. These channels are plugged in one end but open on the other. This way the soot laden exhaust gases are forced through the walls. Particulates are too big to escape and are trapped in the filter walls. (Called Wall-flow monolith) (See attachment.)

A Catalyst is also coated to these walls giving the soot a lower combustion temp allowing the filter to regenerate (This is why it never gets completely clogged.) Periods of exhaust temps of 615-750*f cause the soot to burn, regenerating the filter. This makes our systems "passive" as there are no active mechanisms to clean them.

The filters efficiency raises with soot accumulation, but even at low soot levels, it is 90%+ effective at catching soot.

Typical exhaust pressure drops are 20-40" of H2O (Not HG.)

Uncontrolled Regeneration
Runaway regeneration or thermal runaway.
This refers to the uncontrolled burning of a Large quantity of soot accumulated in the filter media.

It is caused by a series of events starting with overloading the TrapOx with soot at exhaust temps not high enough to cause regeneration (Lots of stop-go traffic on a cool morning with exhaust below 600*f) followed be a period of high exhaust temps that ignite the soot, and followed finally by low power or idle operation which raises the Oxygen level of the exhaust (Race on the highway at 85mph with a warm/hot engine then stop for rush-hour traffic.)

Thermal runaway can easily cause filter temps that will MELT the filter media or cause thermal stress that can crack the filter (This is what caused so much turbo damage on MB's). If water gets in/on the filter it is possible for the unit to EXPLODE! (This HAS happened, but you will never hear it from Mercedes-Benz)

If you have not had the FREE recall performed on your MB, this should be more than enough reason to swap it for the OxCat (Or replace the entire setup with a "federal" intake/exhaust system ;) ).

mgt83300D 02-25-2005 10:50 PM

As I read these posts, I see multiple references to the FREE MB recall. Is this recall still in effect for older (1985) cars?

vwbuge 02-26-2005 01:17 AM

You have to call a dealer with your VIN to see if your car was retrofitted. The Trap Ox and the Catalyst look exactly the same.

As stated incorrectly and then later corrected, the trap ox was NOT replaced with a straight pipe but a catalyst.

Here are some pics.

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/90424-emissions-swap-part-one.html

mgt83300D 02-26-2005 01:23 PM

Are there any identifying marks or numbers that would identify the part as a catalyst vs a trap oxidizer? And BTW... it is a big ugly thing.

Dervman 02-26-2005 01:52 PM

The original Trap Oxidiser is a big barrel shaped assembly as shown in the photos. The replacement catalyst (if that's what it is) on my SDL with the 603 engine, is a much smaller diameter cast pipe with some bonded silver heat shielding around it.

smartin 03-28-2005 12:21 PM

I have a 85 300TD wagon CA. The trap oxidizer work was done - along with a new turbo. The kargr "football" looks like the original. But there is a sticker in the drivers door - says "NON CATALYST",(since I am not the original owner) I am not sure if this was always there - or if it was put on after this work. Question - is there a "football" shaped item that is called "NON CATALYST"? Is there any way of removing this can - while using the same turbo - (It may seem unrealistic) - but I would like to use this turbo - it is new.

Thanks

Steve

vwbuge 03-28-2005 12:41 PM

I swapped all my components from an '81 300SD. I could not use my original turbo. I tried to spin the housing but the oil return tube would not line up.

sublettm 03-28-2005 12:42 PM

I just had my trap oxidizer go bad in my 124 back in December. When it went, it took out the turbo. We were leaving to go home for Christmas when it let go. It took out my turbo when all of this happened. I took it to the dealership and they replaced the entire exhaust system to include the turbo and muffler and everything in between, at no cost to me. They had the car for about a month because some of the parts had to come from Germany. They gave me a loaner to drive while I waited...they gave me a 2005 C240.

Mike

lrg 03-28-2005 12:57 PM

The catalyst retrofit on the 617 engine ('85) looks exactly like the oxidizer it replaces. The only way to be sure you have the newer trap is to take your registration into a dealer and have the service manager look it up on MB Net. MBZ kept records of all warranty/retrofit work done by VIN number. On the 603 engine the football shaped can is replaced with a foil wrapped pipe shaped trap so the conversion is obvious, if it has been done.

J. R. B. 03-28-2005 02:23 PM

Last January we called MBUSA about the trap oxidizer in the 85. The car is a Kalifornia car. MB said they did all the update work on the car. Last week we pulled the head off to install new valve guides and I took a good look at the thing. No insullating foil, football shaped, and not a thing inside of it. It is just an in and out for the exhaust. Any comments on what we found with ours will be appreciated.

smartin 03-28-2005 03:42 PM

Thanks all

JRB,

Did you look into opening where emmissions valve hooks up? Can you see it through there?

Steve

J. R. B. 03-28-2005 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smartin
Thanks all

JRB,

Did you look into opening where emmissions valve hooks up? Can you see it through there?

Steve

I just made a quick trip back to the shop and double checked. Inside where the emmissions valve hooks up is nothing but a pipe with kind of a baffle/exhaust deflector welded on. I checked with a flexible flashlight. It's empty. What do you guys think? Tomorrow she goes back together.

my123ca 03-28-2005 08:14 PM

I had mine replaced back in '97. Its leaking now. Just went to a shop today. They told me its a $1000 part. Anyone ever fabricated a replacement? Thinking of bringing it across the border to get it done. Any suggestions?

Charlie Mitchel 03-28-2005 09:35 PM

Trap:
 
Some have gone to Junk yard and got Manifold,Air Cleaner, Turbo drain and new gaskets, plus the firt section of Exhaust pipe. And toke the trap off and replace it. Off of a 84 model.
Also removed EGR valve.
Now this does not comply with some smog laws.
But the law of nature is cleaner for it.
Charlie

johnathan1 01-17-2017 03:02 AM

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Here's a picture of this trap oxidizer I removed tonight. Big ol' pain in the butt to remove for SURE.

ROLLGUY 01-17-2017 11:22 AM

So now what are your plans? (hint-hint-wink-wink)

kylemason 01-17-2017 07:10 PM

Order the RollGuy pipe. Awesome peice. Hooked up really nice!!

Kyle

johnathan1 01-17-2017 07:42 PM

Car isn't worth buying the setup for it. I just gutted the trap and re installed it!


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