I had never heard of so many problems. I always wondered why there were so many used E class Mercedes used. Now I know. Wow. I think I will stick with my old reliable 300sd.

here's the link:
http://www.mercedes-benz-usa.com/e_class.php

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1982 300SD Light Blue
2002 Honda Accord SE
1974 Toro Wheel Horse Tractor
2000 Toyota Tundra Pickup

The more complicated the car, the more to go wrong. Most of the parts that the owners said failed, are not on my 300SD, so they can't fail.

But there is no excuse for MB to treat those owners so poorly.

Although I love the older MB dearly, if I was in the market for a new car, I'm ashamed to admit it would be a Lexus. Now if Lexus only made a Diesel.

Even consmer reports said not to buy a MB because of the poor reliability.

P E H

You can get it in Europe, is the new Lexus IS 2.2 diesel 175HP. Run a search on Google

If you read the S,C class complaints, you can see why between the S,E and C class cars MB lost $1 Billion last year.

They may kill Daimler Chrysler.

I read the post in the site while they worry me they don't surprise me either. I didn't find anything on the 320CDI though. Only one thing about a 270CDI but I have no idea what that is.
I drove one today and it impressed me very much. If its a POS, then it's a very nice POS.

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84 300D Turbodiesel 190K with 4 speed manual sold in 03/2012

A Lexus LS430 with a diesel in it would be sweet. I guess if the W116 and W126 300SDs of the late 70's and early 80's are being pulled around fine with 123-125HP diesel engines, the big LS430 will be ok with a 175HP diesel engine.
-Joe

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'81 MB 300SD, '82 MB 300D Turbo (sold/RIP), '04 Lincoln Town Car Ultimate

Sooner or later every car falls apart, ours does it later!
-German Narrator in a MB Promotion Film about the then brand new W123.

I took a look at that site and saw just what I figured I would. Almost all 211 compalints are for 2003 models. 2003's were the first year of a new model, of course they are junk. 04's and 05's have just about had the bugs worked out of them and are quite a nice car. I actually got a laugh out of reading those stories, just watching them complain how much stuff costs at the dealer, well duh!

Think back to 98 and 99 ML's. They were even bigger pieces of crap! gotta love the grinding transfer cases and failed piston rings. by 2000 they wern't half bad.

One thing MB got out of the "merger" is chrysler taught them how to shortcut, I believe you all can see the results of that.

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1980 500SE/AMG Euro
1981 500SEL Euro
1982 380SEL
1983 300TD
1983 500SEC/AMG Euro
1984 500SEC
1984 300TD Euro
1986 190E 2.3-16
1986 190E 2.3
1987 300D
1997 C36 AMG
2003 C320T 4matic

past: 1969 280SE 4.5 | 1978 240D | 1978 300D | 1981 300SD | 1981 300SD | 1982 300CD | 1983 300CD | 1983 300SD | 1983 380SEC | 1984 300D | 1984 300D | 1984 300TD | 1984 500SEL | 1984 300SD | 1985 300D | 1986 300E | 1986 560SEL | 1986 560SEL/Carat | 1987 560SEC | 1991 300D 2.5 | 2006 R350

Not a chance, John.

MB called the acquisition of Chrysler a "merger". It was nothing resembling a merger. As a typical German company, they had (have) no respect for any American personnel and, once the deal was done, they canned all of the upper management at Chrysler and installed their own people.

You can never tell a German how to run his business or his company. You would be summarily dismissed. I worked for one for ten years until they couldn't stand the criticism anymore.

Designing all kinds of new gadgets that are unproven and unreliable is all of their own doing.

IMO Lexus is an over priced piece of scrap.

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Dynamometer.
Heat exchanger durability.
HV-A/C Climate Control.
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Technical Quality Auditor.
Automotive Technical Writer

1985 300SD
1983 300D
1984 190D
2003 Volvo V70
2002 Honda Civic

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Yes, any product line experiences those "horror stories" and I think they should be shared. However, for each of the bad ones I suspect there are hundreds of very satisfied owners otherwise the company would not be in business very long.

That said, I have had few problems with my 95 E300 diesel. I bought it for the engine and have really enjoyed the luxury ride with the long times between fill-ups. I also own a 91 Jeep Cherokee (185K) and continue to be satisfied with it - but I have a drawer full of service tickets to say that no car is immune from age and mileage related wear. I just fix them and roll on down the road and enjoy the fact that I don't have any monthly car payments.

Mike

Sorry dude, I forgot to insert the tags for the merger comment.

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1980 500SE/AMG Euro
1981 500SEL Euro
1982 380SEL
1983 300TD
1983 500SEC/AMG Euro
1984 500SEC
1984 300TD Euro
1986 190E 2.3-16
1986 190E 2.3
1987 300D
1997 C36 AMG
2003 C320T 4matic

past: 1969 280SE 4.5 | 1978 240D | 1978 300D | 1981 300SD | 1981 300SD | 1982 300CD | 1983 300CD | 1983 300SD | 1983 380SEC | 1984 300D | 1984 300D | 1984 300TD | 1984 500SEL | 1984 300SD | 1985 300D | 1986 300E | 1986 560SEL | 1986 560SEL/Carat | 1987 560SEC | 1991 300D 2.5 | 2006 R350

lol, maybe we should settle our differences and just drive Civics!!!!

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2006 BMW M5 "Heidi" @ 109,000 miles
2005 MBZ C55 AMG "Lorelai" @ 165,000 miles
1991 MBZ 300E "Benzachino II" @ 165,000 miles
1990 MBZ 500SL "Shoshanna" @ 118,000 miles

(On the hunt for a good used M103 engine as of 6/10/23, PM me if you have one to sell!)

..........whoops.........got me on that one.

its all good

despite all this, I'd still buy a new C230K (w/ a 6 speed!). They finally put the engine I want in the body I like. even though they did have an issue in some with crooked cyl 1 exhaust valve guide (oops, was I not supposed to mention that?) just toss a new head on it under warranty and its fine!

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1980 500SE/AMG Euro
1981 500SEL Euro
1982 380SEL
1983 300TD
1983 500SEC/AMG Euro
1984 500SEC
1984 300TD Euro
1986 190E 2.3-16
1986 190E 2.3
1987 300D
1997 C36 AMG
2003 C320T 4matic

past: 1969 280SE 4.5 | 1978 240D | 1978 300D | 1981 300SD | 1981 300SD | 1982 300CD | 1983 300CD | 1983 300SD | 1983 380SEC | 1984 300D | 1984 300D | 1984 300TD | 1984 500SEL | 1984 300SD | 1985 300D | 1986 300E | 1986 560SEL | 1986 560SEL/Carat | 1987 560SEC | 1991 300D 2.5 | 2006 R350

A while back I was in the Indy Shop I go at times for work and he-the owner had a 93 420?(gasser) on the rack-(After '87 I don't pay much attention to models and years-I am a pre 87 MB fan) The Car was Accelerating wildly-turns out the electronic cruise control wire harness's insulation was worn bare across 3-4 of the wires. This was like $1400 alone. Then other problems were discovered--turns out in a few short hours, this owner had a repair bill of $4300- a local Law enforcement officer. Man talk about a shock when he got this estimate and he went to a MB Dealer repair shop-add $1500 more to the Bill. Well he did not need those vacations for the next 10 years anyhow --only thing missing were those Drop Down Airline Type Oxygen Masks in the office-after that estimate this owner was in dire need of one.