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Old 04-13-2005, 05:56 AM
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That's an awful lot of money for something that the average person probably couldn't tell from a Kia Amanti, if not for the hood ornament.

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I saw one of these today at school out of the corner of my eye parked on the street. "What MB has the grill that recessed?" I wondered as I turned my head to get a look. Where is the damn hood ornament? Is that even a merc? I just shoved it off as another something-rather-new that someone had money to spend on...

I still liked the 220D better that I saw today with the "SQsequential Biofuels" sticker on the back and the "my age" female behind the wheel. There are a few chicas around town with old diesel mercedes and biodiesel yummies...
...where do I sign up to share processor time with them
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Old 04-13-2005, 08:41 AM
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If a Mercedes is truly as bad as a Kia, reliability wise, then the end of the world must be nigh...

I drive an 02 Kia Rio, not an Armanti to be sure, but still a Kia, and the biggest piece of **** on the roads.

The worst part of it is the 437 bucks per month I have to wast for the dubious privilege of driving the horrible thing.

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I guess that is why the local Benz dealer has a driving range, hot spot, plasma tv's and fitness center. You will spend a lot of quality time and money there. I don't even think what their labor rate is. Only time I have stepped inside is to get some original door keys for my trusty old 300SD. I wish I had bought one of these in college instead of my 99 Grand AM. Only reason I will buy a new or recent model car is because my wife insists and/or I am flush with cash.

I suspect if you only take the E and S class the quality would not be quite so bad though it is not what it used to be. The C class and M class SUVs are cheap and reak of cheapness. Mercedes has a bad case of K car syndrome. Dumb of them to buy Chrysler. People want gadgets and the government wants gadgets to improve fuel consumption but as Scotty says "The more complicated the plumbing the easier to clog up the drain" Most makes have similar problems just you expect better from Mercedes and they are much more painful!
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Old 04-13-2005, 09:00 AM
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I guess that is why the local Benz dealer has a driving range, hot spot, plasma tv's and fitness center. You will spend a lot of quality time and money there. I don't even think what their labor rate is. Only time I have stepped inside is to get some original door keys for my trusty old 300SD. I wish I had bought one of these in college instead of my 99 Grand AM. Only reason I will buy a new or recent model car is because my wife insists and/or I am flush with cash.

I suspect if you only take the E and S class the quality would not be quite so bad though it is not what it used to be. The C class and M class SUVs are cheap and reak of cheapness. Mercedes has a bad case of K car syndrome. Dumb of them to buy Chrysler. People want gadgets and the government wants gadgets to improve fuel consumption but as Scotty says "The more complicated the plumbing the easier to clog up the drain" Most makes have similar problems just you expect better from Mercedes and they are much more painful!
Can't Blame Chrysler for the slide...it was well on its way before they bought Chrysler...besides Chrysler execs weren't the ones running the company.
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Can't Blame Chrysler for the slide...it was well on its way before they bought Chrysler...besides Chrysler execs weren't the ones running the company.

True Doc. But buying a loser never helps! Maybe Toyota needs to buy them out. Japan is the only place where they take quality control seriously.
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FWIW, a co-worker took delivery of a new SL55 AMG, and after two-weeks, the electronics went crazy/possessed. Seats were moving on their own, engine wouldn't start; etc.

He had the car replaced with a NEW one under "lemon laws", and again the same thing happenned.

He was able to workout a deal, and took posession of a new Porsche 911.

This is SO SAD.

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Perhaps Mercedes electronics will be known as "son of Prince of Darkness" (aka, Lucas electronics).
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Old 04-13-2005, 09:16 AM
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FWIW, a co-worker took delivery of a new SL55 AMG, and after two-weeks, the electronics went crazy/possessed. Seats were moving on their own, engine wouldn't start; etc.

He had the car replaced with a NEW one under "lemon laws", and again the same thing happenned.
Yikes. One electronics gremlin you can write off to infant mortality. Two like that is scary. I wonder how wide spread that is. Either he was extremely unlucky or they have a manufacturing flaw that has gone way to far. Again decent QC would catch this. One short or bad connection in system where everything is connected can cause bad things to happen. Regulators and actuators have an expected life span but their is no reason for controls to fry. Especially in the relatively controlled world of an automobile that should be relatively power surge free. Protecting the controls with fueses and breakers from shorts of failed components is old technology. You can write off anectdotal stories once in a while but they have become so common with the Benz.
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Perhaps Mercedes electronics will be known as "son of Prince of Darkness" (aka, Lucas electronics).
*CRINGES*
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I don't think there is a fundamental problem with the engineering. It is obvious with the older Mercedes that they kept the concept of K.I.S.S. (keep it simple stupid). The more complex you make the automobile the more you have to spend on Quality Assurance and the more things that can go wrong. Having an adaptive transmission is a great feature but a great liablity. Automatic windshield wipers, memory seats, automatic lights beg for problems. I will take the simple, classic Mercedes any day. Apparently though Mercedes must not be doing the gadgets as well as other car makers because you don't hear these complaints about Lexus, Acura, or BMW.

I believe the CDI has a vacuum boosted turbo to reduce lag. This is cool but obviously adds more complexity to what should be a simple part. Another possible problem,
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Already have needed it. Several times. And it's only got 52K on it. Complete POS. I will never buy a Korean crapmobile again.

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I guess that is why the local Benz dealer has a driving range, hot spot, plasma tv's and fitness center.
damn, I feel gypped.
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Old 04-13-2005, 06:34 PM
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I guess that is why the local Benz dealer has a driving range, hot spot, plasma tv's and fitness center.

Hey and thats just at their house

Those private yachts take a lot to keep affloat............and they design their cars to enable that sort of cash flow to continue after the purchace.
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200,000 times per key. 8 keys are alloted per vehicle's EIS. Each key has 2 replacement keys available = 24 keys total for every car.

So what happens after the key goes 200,000 times? It stops working suddenly?
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So what happens after the key goes 200,000 times? It stops working suddenly?
I bet the key will out last the car.

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