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09-19-2012, 05:14 PM
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MMO in the Oil recommended? What's your experience?
Hi guys,
I've been putting Marvel Mystery Oil (MMO) into my engine oil at each Oil Change Interval (3000 miles on the 240D). I'm not doing any kind of oil analysis, but my 'shade-tree mechanic' sense tells me that my oil filter is MUCH heavier than it usually is, and certainly when I am cleaning up spilled oil (I'm using Chevron Delo 400LE 15/40 from Costco) the used oil (that is mixed with the MMO) cleans up really nicely. That is, it seems to wipe up from surfaces without leaving a whole lot of black oily mess. I'm hoping that this means that the MMO is keeping the insides of the OM616 cleaner, and that it is slowly removing 30-year-old combustion residues, etc. Have any of you had long-term experience with MMO in the motor oil, or have you done oil analysis with MMO in the oil? I'm just curious as to long-term use and/or some kind of analysis that would tell me this is a good idea. Sincerely, Packman
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09-19-2012, 06:37 PM
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I'm not to keen on adding MMO, or any additive to the motor oil. Motor oil already has detergents in it, and you are thinning it with the MMO, so depending on how much you put in the viscosity will be changed.
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09-19-2012, 06:57 PM
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its not good practice to add all these things. If they were needed they would already be in the oil formulation.
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#4
09-19-2012, 11:00 PM
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The MMO thins out the Oil and might interfere with the chemical Mechanism that makes Multi Viscosity Oil Multi Viscosity.
Diesel Engines are harder on the Oil that a Gasser is. In the Past when MMO first came out there was no Multi Viscosity Oils. It did not matter if you put a bit of MMO in 30wt Oil and thinned it a little; and the older Oils did not clean as well as the more modren ones do. If you want a cleaner Engine innards You could switch to synthetic Oil. If you want less Engine wear from particles You could install a Bypass Oil Filter. Concerning the subjective weight of the Oil Filter. You have assumed the weight is unwanted crud; how do you know the weight is not made up of tiny Metal Particles from increased wear on the Metal Parts?
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09-20-2012, 04:14 AM
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Without actually weighing the filter before and after I don't see how you could tell anything by "feeling" the weight of it. Of course a new dry filter is much lighter than one full of oil or at least soaked in oil.
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09-20-2012, 06:48 AM
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keep in mind, the amount of time you take after you pull the lid off the filter can will have a great affect on the weight of the filter...
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#7
09-20-2012, 11:51 AM
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The mmo is a moderatly strong solvent. Since you have been using this practice for some time the engine internally is probably as clean as it is going to get. So no benefit likely by continuing.
You could put a quart in the fuel tank with a fill up to clean out your fuel system now for awhile. Make sure to carry extra fuel filters and the tools to change them though just in case a lot of junk is loosened up. Since I cannot see the by products of combustion actually weighting more than oil. Although perhaps they could. I might assume their accumulation in the oil filter is reducing the ability of the oil to flow out of the filter as fast as a less unobstructed one would when changing it. So more oil is retained in the filter much longer and it seems heavier . This is just a guess at best but at least some hope for your feeling the oil filter seems heavier since you started using the MMO in the base oil. Some engines are indeed crudded up internally pretty bad.
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#8
09-20-2012, 12:34 PM
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It's a great cleaner in the fuel and to clean upper rings, but PLEASE be careful about adding it to the fuel. The best cheap alternatives that were effective were the equivalent of 5% biodiesel mix per tank to the fuel and lubricity additives to the oil
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#9
09-20-2012, 01:02 PM
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My 240D owned since new - 350,000 miles with 5000 mile oil changes using a diesel rated dino. No additives to the engine oil ever AFAIK. Oil analysis done a few times with good results.
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09-20-2012, 02:21 PM
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I'm confused as to why you would want to add a solvent to your oil. If the oil isn't sticking to the concrete, I wonder how well it's sticking to the metal parts its supposed to protect?
I think you're going backwards with MMO in your oil.
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09-20-2012, 02:41 PM
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I purge with MMO
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09-20-2012, 02:58 PM
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There is a difference between; Saying I purge my Fuel System with MMO and saying I purge with MMO (ouch!). 
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09-20-2012, 03:53 PM
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purge my injectors and IP. with Marvel Mystery Oil.
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09-20-2012, 04:57 PM
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09-20-2012, 07:54 PM
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The only reason to add MMO to the oil is for cars with hydrolic lifters. I've used it with sucess in my dads Challenger when it had a valve tap. The thinner oil and the deturgents work well for this. On our mercedes engines, I don't see any reason to put it in the oil. Maybe put in in the fuel, but not the oil.
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